John Kerry For President

Vote Bush out. America has suffered enough.

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html

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you think you're suffering know. If Kerry gets in. You'll find out what suffing really is. No guns, ha just watch the crime rate go up.

 

Once again someone that thinks George W. Bush is the sorce of all evil. get a grip.

 

I see that King George's revolt against 8 Years of The Clinton Era of Peace and Prosperity is still alive.

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-index.html

Republicans don't say, look what we have done for the country.
They say, it could be worse.

 

He isnt goin to not allow guns, no Democrats are. Thats ridiculous, he supports the assalt rifle band, and certain other restrictions. We dont need Uzis to hunt elk.


Also George is not the source of all the evil. And thatis not what he is saying but he is the figurehead of out nation, and he be doing alot more to prevent some of the evil, instead of creating more and more. Hes a puppet for Rumsfeld and Cheney.

 

OK let me get this straight, would you be for restricting free speech?

 

Who said that?

God forbid someone want to vote for a person who isn't the current president. God, you'd think we were living in a democracy or something! :H

 

No, do you? The only way to combat somthing someone is saying is to say it louder than them. Which is what i am doing.

 

You are just ignorant and uninformed. If you knew anything about Kerry then you would know that he is a hunter and owns guns himself.

At least take the time to know a little somehting about what you are talking about. Otherwise you just sound stupid.

 

that's right. We need 'em to hunt govt. revenuers, trespassers, and squatters.

When all of the guns are gone, we'll be defenseless against our government.

Oh, but that's right. we all trust the government here...and the cops too.

 

I have enough weapons and ammo in my attic right now to arm my family twice over. What I do not have is a series of assualt rifles that arent even as accurate as some of the semi automatic weapons available because these assualt rifles have been converted to fully automatic by a simple 3 dollar part kit or something.

And if you use and UZi to hunt with or even to protect your family, I have to ask why.

 

I used to live in the city and there was a lot of property crime. It didn't matter what neighborhood you lived in. You locked your car, you locked your house, you might even carry mace.

Now I live in the country. There aren't many people around me anymore, but the ones that are, are all armed to the teeth. We're pretty much on our own here since emergency responders are far away. Everyone knows that everyone else has guns. I can leave my house open, my keys in the car, and nothing is ever disturbed, in over eight years. No one ever trespasses on anyone's land...ever, day or especially at night.

I believe it's because of the deterent fact that everyone knows that everyone else is armed.


duckandmiss- I'm not sure what all you're talking about as far as converting semi-auto to full auto. There will always be people who break the law. Banning a certain weapon will not change that. My comments were meant to be more tongue-in-cheek, however that doesn't always come across on the net.

BTW- My semi-auto AK is as accurate as it needs to be. Don't be fooled by what you see on TV when the good guy escapes a fully automatic hail of bullets only to return single shot fire and neutralize the enemy. It just doesn't work like that. That's why fully auto is available only by special license.

 

That's also why fully auto is much more dangerous.

 

Before you open your mouth you should think about what you are saying. Do you think that assault rifles are full-auto numbnuts? I would also like to see someone show me where these 3 dollar kits are to convert to full auto. I'm sure the FTA would be interested as well. FULL AUTO WEAPONS ARE STILL ILLEGAL MORON!!

 

Actually after i typed the one single line that had to do with guns, and finished typing the full paragraph of other information dealing with Bysh, and before you attacked me with your remarks I was looking at the laws of the states.

Full Auto Weapons are Legal In Half of the States

Definitions

A fully automatic weapon (a machine gun) is one that fires a succession of bullets so long as the trigger is depressed or until the ammunition supply is exhausted. In addition, any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically, more than one shot at a time by a single trigger pull, is legally considered to be a machine gun.

Submachine guns are fully automatic weapons that fire a handgun cartridge and can be operated by one person. Sometimes they are referred to as machine pistols.

A machine gun can normally fire between 400 and 1,000 rounds (bullets) per minute, or between 7 and 17 rounds per second.

Federal Firearms Regulations

[size=-1][[size=-1]Disclaimer:[/size] Firearms laws change frequently, and vary from state to state. None of the information here should be considered legal advice or a legal restatement of any Federal firearms laws or regulations. Consult a lawyer, your local law enforcement, and/or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for further information regarding firearms laws and taxes in your area.][/size]

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

(Sources: talk.politics.guns FAQ, part 2, "FAQ on National Firearms Act Weapons", and from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, National Firearms Act FAQ. See also, "The Firearms Owners' Protection Act: A Historical and Legal Perspective" [Hardy, 1986]) ) Twenty-five states have no further restrictions on civilian ownership of machine guns (some require registration with the state) than what is required by federal law. Other states have either placed further restrictions or outlawed operable machine guns to civilians entirely. For further details see NRA state firearm law summaries.



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Your right too 3 dollars was too cheap.


The conversion of a semi-auto to full-auto is usually a complicated process, and the methods are different for each different kind of rifles. The AR-15/M-16 is the one exeption to this rule. It is extreemly easy to converT to full-auto. But anyhow, the way you go through it is you first choose yourself a good semi-auto rifle that uses a box magazine (also called "clip"). It is also preferable to buy a well known semi-auto so the clips are cheap, and conversion plans are readily available. A good example would be Uzi, AR- 15, Mini-14, Mac-10, KG-99 or other good, common guns. All right, so now you have a gun picked out in your mind. Send for a manual that explains the procedure for converting your gun. It is very important that when you do this, you buy from a well known publisher like Palidin Press, or Bill Moore Publications. Ok now, very carefully follow the instructions to the letter. You do not want ot screw up your firearm by grinding in the wrong place, or throwing away the wrong part.

This is basicly all I can tell you because it is a very complicated procedure that takes alot of time to explain, but I can give something of use to all of you who own a Mini-14. You know, made by Ruger. When I tell you this, I am assuming you know at least a little bit about your gun. If you don't know a fuck about the insides of the Mini-14 leave it the hell alone! I don't want you to screw it up on account of me.

Ok, look in the manual that came with your gun. There is a part called the secondary sear. This is what prevents your Mini from being Mighty. Take apart the mechansm and remove the secondary sear & the spring behind it. Reassemble the mechanism, making sure you don't forget to put all the other peices in their right places. Your rifle is now a slam-firing full auto. Keep the secondary sear, in a safe place, because to convert it back to semi- auto, and back to legal, you just put in the secondary sear. Remember, this method is the "cheapo" and converts your Mini to fullo-auto only. When you load it up and pull the trigger, it will fire about two shots if you just snap the trigger and release it quickly.

DO NOT HOLD THE TRIGGER DOWN!!!! This will cause the firearm to become uncontrolable, and thus dangerous to yourself as well as others.

 

And I was wrong about the assualt rifles, I dont really support the assualt rifle ban, really it means nothing to me and I feel the ban itself was a joke anyway, it didnt really stop the right kind of guns, just the scariest looking ones. http://www.ont.com/users/kolya/AR15/aw94.htm
I apologize for the confusion, I am glad you took it well and calmly.


But in fact I did not start the discussion talking about assault rifles, I was merely talking about guns.
The guns I am worried about and I feel have no use in any society are the handheld fully automatic ones, especially the ones that are made from semi-atuos with conversion kits.
What practical use is there for this gun?


By the way chicken, my nuts are fine and healthy, not numb at all, you moron. Next time i think you should flip out a little bit more so people think your a good debater.

 

Wow, duckandmiss I already knew most of what you posted but I wouldn't have posted that much conversion info. I'm sure it was easy enough for you to find on the net, but still I wouldn't want to be responsible for possibly influencing an inmature mind reading these forums.
Just my opinion.

As far as the use for machine pistols, they would likely be of value in close quarters combat against multiple assailants.

This isn't just about hunting. There are lots of people who have unusual situations that need special protection. If I was a target and needed protective security services, I would want those people to have the best armaments available.

It's funny, one of the most outspoken gun control advocates, Rosie O'Donnel, herself has armed security services. Actually, I think she may have come over to the other side in recent years.

Firearms are nothing more than tools with which to work. Personal responsibility is the key. I am responsible and I refuse to give up my rights due to the irresponsibility of outlaws.

Many have given their lives in defense of our constitutional freedoms. It is abhorent in my mind that any of us would dishonor those sacrifces by being silent as the government would attempt to erode those freedoms.

 

Now lets get to what I actually believe about gun control.

I think there should be some restrictions on certain types of weapons. I dont think it should be one huge tilt right or left.

I dont want everyone to have no guns and give up that right, and I do not want civilians driving around in military tanks with surface to air missles like some insurgents get to do in foreign countries. What does arms entail then?

Doesnt there need to be a cutoff?

I dont see a situations were a handheld fully automatic machine gun is nessacry. Even in close quarters a semi would be fine and more accurate and responsible then spraying the area with a fully automatic handgun with little to no accuracy past the 3rd bullet coming out of the gun when the trigger is held down.

Also with certain models of semi automatic weapons being able to be easily converted, the people who will end up trying and succeding in making these conversions are not going to be professional bodyguards.

I dont even see how they would be the best armaments available for this job. Even the president doest have a series of bodygurads with tech 9's.

If those immature kids can navigate to this site, they can navigate to the info I found just as easily, we both know that. Anyone who wants the info can find it if they are looking for it.

 

Who here honestly thinks that Kerry will be any better? No, whether it's Kerry or Bush, it will be the same old U.S., and the same old belligerant foreign policy. The U.S. needs major electoral reform to make it a true democracy, and more of a respectable country.