isreal vs palestine

Can't we have semi-intelligent conversation without insults getting involved? Israel is just as wrong as palestine.

 

How in the world can you claim that the 2007 link shows israels wrongdoing? First of all, read this

Timeline of the violence between Israelis and Palestinians in 2007. It includes would-be attacks that were foiled and thwarted by Israeli security forces.
The shaky six-month cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinians collapsed when the military wing of Hamas, one of the leading Palestinian factions, resumed rocket attacks against Israel on May 15 in an apparent attempt to draw Israel into the ongoing Palestinian factional violence.[2] Hundreds of rockets have been fired since then, many of them landing around Sderot, causing several frightened residents to flee and others be treated for wounds and shock.
In the months since November 2006, smaller Palestinian factions continued to fire rockets at Israel. They included Islamic Jihad, which rejected the cease-fire, and Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades, which is nominally affiliated with the mainstream Fatah faction headed by the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas. Israel said it was ending its policy of restraint against the rocket fire on May 16. Since then, the air force has struck mainly at Hamas structures and cells that the army said were involved in terrorist activity.[3]

It stats that hamas ended a cease fire in order to try to get Israel to fight with them. "The shaky six-month cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinians collapsed when the military wing of Hamas, one of the leading Palestinian factions, resumed rocket attacks against Israel on May 15 in an apparent attempt to draw Israel into the ongoing Palestinian factional violence."

As for the attack tally. Every single Israel attack took place in order to foil an attack of palestine. How the hell can you say Israel is in the wrong there? Look at the countless atacks on the from Hamas directly attacking Israelie citizens. EVERY SINGLE ISRAEL ATTACK WAS IN SELF DEFFENSE!!!!!! They do there best to target militants, but obviously there will be a few casulties in doing so. Are you really trying to imply that they should not try to foil these attacks and just allow the militants to continue to attack innocent israelies. The militants make absolutly zero efforts to try to limit cassulties and just attack Israel forces.

I suggest that you read these links that you are giving before you post them so you dont make a complete fool of yourself.

I encourage everyone to read the 2007 reports here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict_2007 so they can understand what is really going on over there. Its called self deffense.

 

There are casulties in war. Thats what war is. How about you go and count up how many israeli civillian casulties there have been.

 

all your arguments are completly biased. Im not saying Militant groups are right or wrong, but it comes down to the fact that after wwII allied forces took land from people living in a area and gave it to the jews because of the holocaust. We also armed them, and pretty much made it impossible for the Palestinians to stand up for themselves.

Israels force used against attackers has been noted to be extreame, and they tend to punish civilians for others crimes.

you say i sound like an idiot, but your the one that backs a regime that has been oppressing and controlling a whole population of people within their "country"

 

It's funny to see teenagers argue about something they have no idea about.

 

^How can you say that the allied forces took land away the people living in the area.

It has been a sacred land to the jews for over 4000 years. In 1100 BC the Jews set up a state in the area, that ruled for over a thousand years. In 132 AD, the Roman empire expelled jews from the area of palestine, however some jews stayed, and they have always had a presence since then. During the MUSLIM CONQUESTS (just have to point out that they took over the land with force) the Byzintine Empire took over the area that constained the land of Israel. Controll of the land bounced around and eventually landed in the hands of the Ottoman Empire in 1516 and rulled the area until 1912. The League of Nations granted the British control over the area in 1922. In 1947 the British withdrew from the area and the UN propossed a plan that would split the area into two states, due to the fact that both races had history in the area going back thousands of years. It was not just some random area. It was a area that once belonged to the jews, that was conquered by the arabs, and the jews were thrown out. There never was a formal palastinen state. THEY BOTH HAVE A RIGHT TO THE AREA. The plan proposed a jewish state, and a Arab state, leaving Jerusalem an international area giving possesion to no one due to its importance to multiple religions. The jews accepted this plan, however the Arabs rejected it, insisting that the jews should be given no land. The UN however still granted the jews the state of israel. Soon after Israel was attacked by Egypt Syeria, Iraq, Lebonon and Jordan. This started the Israeli-Arab war. In the treaty that ended the war, Jordan (not palestine) was given controll over the west bank. Egypt gained controll over the Gaze Strip. Rather than making the west bank a palistinen state as originally argreed, Jordan decided to just annex the area and give the local palestinens citizenship to Jordan.

In 1967, after Israel Eygept and Jordan launched an attack on Israel. Israel then siezed the West Bank in the war that followed and made it am Israeli millitary occupation, not part of israel.

In the 1993 Oslo Accords the west bank was split up in an plan accepted by both the palastinen and the israel. The plan gave Palestine complete control over 17% of the land in which was home to 55% of the palestinen west bank population. Israel and palestine were to share 24% of the land in which was only 44% of the palestinein population. Israel was given the remaining 59% of the land due to the fact that this area only was home to 4% of the palestinen population. (this seems preatty fair to me).

As for the gaze strip, that was also made millitary occupation in the 6 day war. in 2005 israel returned it to palestine.

Im not sure why you think this land is anymore palestines then it is israels. They both have an incredably long history there, and when they tried to split the area fairly back in 1947 palestine refused.

As for israel being extream, part of the reason why there are so many palestine civlian deaths are due to the fact that hamas intentionally sets up in homes and cities so that there will be civilian casulties when israel tries to retaliate. And palestine is the one who attacked israeli olympic athleates, hijacked a plane, and attacked israel on the jews most holy day of the year.

 

Palestine of course....

 

They should split the land 50 /50 and be done with it.
Also the sites containing the 3 holy temples need to be made free for everyone.
Its a bit sad seeing the the Jews doing upon Palestine what was once done upon them by the Nazis.

 

^^ i wouldnt go THAT far

 

^^there's shocking amount of similarities when it comes to the domestic policies of the reigime currently in charge of Occupied Palestine and the National Socialists of 1930s Germany...

Jusdino4it, with all due respect, you don't half spout a lot of nonsense and semi truths... It's also pretty obvious you're jewish and have been fed information by your one way argument on the subject. You have a pretty warped view of 'self defence'... If you knocked me out in a fight and then late that night I came back and burned your house down would you say that was I was justified and using 'self defence'??

It's a complicated matter and is no way as black and white as you've painted it.

I'm not going to get into a massive debate as it's been done to death 1000 times and I'll just end up writing a book and pissing myself off. A few points though:


-> There's wrongs and rights on both sides but Israel has undoubtedly got bloodier hands. That link you posted of violence in 2007... look down the side at the bar casualties and losses and remember 'militant' has been used in the past to describe unarmed children shot dead by IDF... It's a meaningless word.

-> Zionists are way more mentally ill than Hamas suicide bombers IMHO

-> It was an Orthodox Jew who buggered the peace process by assassinating Yitzhak Rabin..

-> The racist Israeli reigime actively promotes apartheid

-> The recent siege on Gaza is barbaric and anyone with an ounce of decency in their being would see this and demand an end


You really need some sources other than whatever biased mainstream horseshit you've been watching and the folk you've been talking to.. And before I get jumped on with the usual automatic 'you're anti-semitic' self defence mechanism... My ex gf of 3 years was a Jewish Israeli citizen, one of my very good friends who I helped out a lot when he was living here illegally a few years ago was an Israeli citizen, I've friends all over Israel and have spent a lot of time in the company of Israelis in different corners of the world so go figure... I hate the zionist reigime and the attitudes of a lot of Israelis and I loathe Zionism just as I loathe any other forms of religious fundamentalism.

www.indymedia.org www.medialens.org for unbiased independent media sources on the subject and others...

 

its a fucked up scene. all I know is israelies should quit bein such jews and palestinians should stop makin all of us think muslims are animals. n the taliban shoulda been inthe holocaust.

 

Oh yeah those jews should really stop being such jews.

 

great post reverend

 

That is exactlly what the UN tried to do initally, but Palestine refussed to sign the agreement.

As for Jews doing upon Palestine what happened to them by the Nazis. Well, theres a big difference between fighting a war with 35 civilian casualties annually, and killing 6 million civilians intentially, by taking them from there houses, forceing them to work, and burning them alive.

I understand everyone elses points there making, i dont agree with the way israel is handelling things, but i have no controll over that. All im saying is that both parties have a right to the land. But rageunderground, that flat out offends me and makes me sick to the stomache that you could actually think that.

 

news concerning the Israeli blockade and people not being able to get rid of sewage in gaza's streets

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40959

 

Here is why they put up a wall. This is a new york times article by the way.

 

I resent that this conflict is always sucking The U.S. into it. I resent all the

money that the world is throwing at these combatants. It seems a blood feued that has gone beyond any logic.

 

Its not about sides

 

Even though I truly don't care about the conflict over there, I side with Israel.

 

Israel is becoming a hated "state" even among its allies. Israel must save itself from itself, and this depends more than anything on US President Joe Biden and his entourage. With public opinion changing rapidly in Western Europe, Biden and his staff must play their part in ending the Gaza war.

What Netanyahu created with his wrong war policies in Gaza was nothing other than creating hatred for anti-Zionist policies, which caused more than 2.5 million Palestinian lives in Gaza in addition to millions of people around the world who hate Zionist Apartheid. Therefore, Netanyahu is the greatest enemy of Israel.