Om and Illusion

Shouldn't it be " I do not think, therefore I am not. And then "I do not dream therefore I am not dreaming" ?? ....

 

perhaps it means something to him that you don't perceive.

 

oh and to blackbillblake, that is exactly the type of feedback i was looking for. thank you.

 

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probably not necessary to say, but no sarcasm intended. you showed me a different perspective and i am grateful.

 

sooth im not trying to say the opposite with that quote, im coming from a different perspective. Western thought says "I think therefore I am." i follow Eastern thought which would say "i think therefore i think i am"

 

i like that one better. i think therefore i think i am. awesome.

 

It didn't occur to me that there was any sarcasm.

 

this is where "eastern thought" actually makes more sense to me then "western thought".

most certainties are presumptions upon what we can't possibly know.
but we CAN observe, and observing, attempt to avoid deceiving ourselves, which, while unlikely to ever be completely successful, tends to be worth the effort anyway.

i mean, we can either attempt to avoid deceiving ourselves, or know, because the little voice of reality in the back of our heads keeps telling us so, that we are otherwise living in complete illusion.

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it was the dots after the smiley that made me unsure. cool.

 

It won't let you post just the smiley - you have to enter at least one letter or punctuation mark.

Here's another link to some info on the OM

http://hinduism.about.com/od/omaum/a/meaningofom.htm

 

thanks. that's actually alot closer to my own thought process. i haven't studied the om at all, other than it's basic meaning, being the original and ongoing vibration of existance. the words i started this thread with were a logic stream that sprang from that basic understanding during meditation. it is reassuring to see how close this came to what you have shown me.

 

Happy to be of use.

Myself BTW I think the OM covers everything - both the oneness the Hindus refer to as Brahman, and also the entire cycle of the manifest universe.

 

i agree at the moment, though, to be manifest seems to imply duality. unmanifest and manifest.

 

Duality IS the illusion. Like when you have a dream it appears to be but has no reality. When you wake up you realize its not real but you experienced it so it has apparent reality. The seeming duality of the dream comes from the oneness of consciousness.

 

Personally, I think that duality and unity exist simultaneously. The problem is that our minds operate on the principle of dualism, hence the unity is obscured from us.

 

But when you wake up, you are still in the so-called illusory world of dualities.

 

so i suppose the only way to talk or think about true oneness is to be silent.

 

Yes, that would seem to be so. Hence the idea of yogis that the mind has to be transcended - or at least the rational mind.

 

The whole problem of illusion stems forth from a lack of proper understanding of duality, oneness and consciousness.