Conservative Gays!

It looks like most of gays are liberal due to the fact the liberals support gay rights. (Since I am from the United States, I define 'liberal' is a person who is on the left side of political spectrum) I've been pretty much cosnervative on most of social and fiscal issues.

Gay marriage: Well, obviusly I support it.

Gun rights: I believe in a right to self-defense. Having a can of pepper spray is not enought to defend yourself, your family, and property. Thus, I support the right to own and carry firearms.

Abortion: Early abortion is OK with me. Late abortions, when a baby already developes fully-functioning nervous system, is murder.

Death penalty: I totally support it. Kill the bastards.

War on terror. Although, I opposed the war in Iraq, I support weeding out all terrorist ragheads who interfere with American national interests. Kill them all.

Economy: I want the state of peoples' pockets. No more taxes. No more blood-sucking welfare. I am strongly pro-market.

Are there any other gay conservatives who share my views? Or you are all die hard left-wing hippes?

 

Agreed. Though I'd be content with what my state (NJ) already has -- civil unions with rights equal to those of marriage.

Agreed.

Yes.

Not murder imo, but clearly not as "ok" as early ones.

Agreed.

Agreed on both counts, though it's not being done effectively.

I'm pro-market too, but your position is a bit too extreme for me.

I agree with a lot of conservative positions, like the ones aforementioned. But I also oppose militarism and religious conservatism and the like, so I mostly distance myself from the Republican Party.

 

btw, do you have a profile on IIDB?

 

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I don't think you're a conservative, but a libertarian like myself. You seem to think that the gov should fuck with us as little as possible and that we should be a national of nearly infinite freedom until it threatens the infrastructure of our daily lives or our country itself. And while it is debatable whether it is alive or not in the early stages of the abortion, its not debatable in the later parts. That is straight up murder. I'd say once you feel the first kick (or shortly before) thats when I'd classify it as living.

 

I'm not nearly as conservative as most gay people I know. Then again, I'm not as gay as most gay people I know. I don't know if I agree with your stances, but it is nice to see something different.

I'm more what you might call 'libertarian hippie'.

 

I'm Gay, an adoptive father, a veteran, a gun owner, love fast cars/street rods, an environmentalist, I HATE bush's guts, NEVER voted republican, pro-choice, Anti Iraq war, the current war on terror is worthless/ineffective, consider drug laws as harmful, pro-legalization and treatment for all addictions. I firmly believe in a fairly adminestered tax law, not the coporate welfare system we have now. I flat out do not trust the morals of the market system. I also believe we have a responsibility to provide meaniful assisance to those in need. O ...and fuck religion, too.
There, that about sums it up, put that in a category.

 

I agree with Glenn_Quagmire, seems like you're a Libertarian but it's important that you don't have a binary way of looking at it. You can be a conservative, libertarian, liberal or anything inbetween (there's so many!). I would agree with most of your positions but I'm a Libertarian socialist.

 

Gay marriage: absolutely for it.

Gun rights: I think as a rule guns are bad. but I can't say, if no one had guns we'd have peace. if no one had a gun we'd all just invent new weapons to use against each other. I think as long as the gun is kept responsibly, especially around children and hormonally charged teenagers, and is only used in defense of one's life or one's family, it's okay. otherwise I see no use.

Abortion: I believe abortion is murder. the moment the egg is fertilised, a new life is created-- it may look just like a lump of cells, but cells are living too. very early on in the pregnancy the child is recognisable-- I believe terminating the pregnancy at any stage is cruel and inhuman.

Death penalty: generally speaking, I'm against killing. the death penalty accomplishes nothing. cutting someone's life short is less of a punishment than a life time in jail. the eye for an eye mindset is midieval and barbaric.

War on terror: that was a weak excuse to go to war and make king george look like a man of action. of course the attack on the world trade center and pentagon, and in pennsylvania were also senseless and destroyed thousands of lives. but I believe the war got out of hand before it started. I think bush lost sight of what he wanted, which was to stop terrorism. the americans have no business interfering with and overthrowing other governments. just because america is a powerful and quite successful democracy doesn't mean they have to spread the good word to everyone else. and their choice of new dictator is almost always a failure. it's like christian missionaries on a global scale, but with guns and tanks.

Economy: nothing functions without taxes. on the other hand the welfare system is a bit absurd, and not only in america. the people who recieve welfare are often those who don't feel like taking a job, instead sit in front of the television all day drinking and smoking, and have damaged their bodies so extremely through this life style that they can't work anymore. instead of tipping money into their pockets, so they can buy more beer and cigarettes, the state should focus more on getting them to work. even a job in street sanitation for about minimum wage is more than they get on welfare, and at least that way they'd be getting some fresh air.

so... I'm not remotely conservative, I think gay republicans are weird. I belong to neither party. besides that I believe it's a mistake to vote only by party, regardless of how (in)capable the candidate is. I won't register as a member of any party, because I'm a free thinker and don't need a label to tell me who to vote for.

happy sunday all around

 

Gay marriage: I seriously doubt Jesus would be against it

Gun rights: The difference between the number of firearm related deaths per capita in the US compared to the rest of the west is astounding. Buy the gun to protect your family and shoot that nasty burgular? Pfft!, statistically your move likely to use it on your partner, or yourself

Abortion: Funny how Pro-lifers become silent when it comes to adopting someone elses unwanted kid

Death penalty: I suppose this one comes down to whether you think there is an afterlife, if not, probably best to leave them to reflect on what they did in a crappy prison cell for 40 years

War on terror: Nothing like a war or two to kick start an economy. The WOT is a whole lot of propaganda to pull the wool over your eyes. Waziristan in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are your true enemies. The US didnt dare touch Pakistan as they actually do have WMDs, they didnt dare touch Saudi Arabia as the Kingdom owns roughly 10% of the US

Economy: Socialism for the very basics, free market forces for everything else

 

I would adopt someone else's unwanted kid. wow. but I can't imagine not wanting a child, especially if there was one growing in my body. it's kind of a mystery to me.

 

hm... this thread could be quite interesting if it keeps growing. just a thought.

 

How is that possible to be a libertarian socialist? Thats like saying that I'm a meat eating vegan.

 

Not really. There are plenty of couples out there who can't conceive/people who want to adopt to make up for it. Theres a difference between just throwing a baby at a person, and fucking up and just kill an innocent over it. You fucked up, you should pay for it, unless it isn't in the child's best interest. Killing your future child is never in its best interest.

 

I beg to differ. If the death penalty were used more, it would solve prison over crowding, and save millions of tax payers dollars a year. I'll admit that I'd like for some scumbags to rot in prison for the rest of their lives (like Scott Peterson), but its more practical and efficient to kill some of the very worst criminals. I am all for the way Texas does their death penalty by putting in an express lane.

 

Gay. Conservative. Proud.

I live in Canada, so I don't need to distance myself from our centre-right national party, unlike Gay Americans have too with the Republicans. Our Centre-Right party is more about economics, crime, war on terror, and is moderate on social issues. (Its called the "Conservative Party of Canada" btw, its forming our national government currently with Prime Minister Stephen Harper).

So the issues.

Gay Marriage: Obviously for, and thank god its a settled issue in Canada, even among our mainstream Conservatives. But if I were American I would be satisfied with civil unions. Marriage just incites the intolerance and descrimination. Fight for the civil unions - yes - marriage not worth the trouble...even the more liberal states in the U.S.A. have voted No on referendums for gay marriage. But I am thankful my country has it and its settled.

Gay Adoption: For, for, for. I always ask the people who oppose it "Would you rather have a gay loving couple raise a parentless child, or a broken down state-run group home with rampant mental and physical abuse?"

Gun Rights: Completely support it. The Liberal rational that "Guns Kill people" boggles my mind. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. Banning guns does NOTHING. We should have a registry so we know WHO has them, but we shouldn't restrict them at all. I still believe its fundamental to a free democratic society. The public needs to have the ability to protect themselves from others and the government (civil war/rebellion situations).

Abortion: I'm completely against it. I'm okay with morning after pill (which is very convenient already), but after that unless its a threat to a woman's life, no, the unborn life should be brought into the world. But in saying that I support increased funding and maternity rights for woman who would have the babies.

Death Penalty: Support it for 1st degree murder, but to only be decided by a jury. Because the jury can weight the circumstances of the murder and weather or not the person warrants it.

War on Terror: Canada is in Afghanistan in a combat role, and I totally support my country's mission in Afghanistan, eliminating the Taliban and Al Queda is of the utmost importance. As for Iraq, I think Bush went in their for the wrong reasons, but you guys are their now, and its really going to come back to haunt America if you pull out...civil war, chaos, Al Queda/terrorist hot bed. America has made its bed and has to lie with it. Iraq needs to be finished. Wrong to go in, but wrong to leave is my view.

Economy: Very conservative on this, I support a very basic social safety net, but I hate the "steal from the rich give to the poor" dispoportionate tax structure (I support a flat tax for all income levels). I want the government to cut the red tape and stay out of people's economic lives. I really believe in the power of the free market and capitalism.

Cultural/Social Issues: I am gay, but I still consider myself Christian. I respect a lot of aspects of the "secular society" but in some ways its gone too far. Certain aspects of our culture need to continue...."God" should remain in Canada's national anthem, God should remain in our constitution, It should be "Christmas tree" or "Merry Christmas" NOT "Holiday Tree"/"Happy Holidays!" I support many many individual freedoms, but their needs to be a standard to our culture, and line we don't cross. This free for all "no restrictions" attitude that has taken over is scary...people who support legalized poligamy, legalized incest, etc.

Gay Pride/Identity: Other aspects of my conservatism and being gay make me really opposed to this left wing faction of the gay community. I don't support Gay Pride parades. Can you see the double standard? Can you imagine "I'm White! I'm Here! Get Used to It!" I don't believe in having pride in things you don't choose/decide. I also can't stand how certain aspects of the gay left wing faction make being "gay" their ENTIRE IDENTITY, when people think of me I want "gay" at the bottom of the list. I accept it and embrace it, but I sure as hell don't need it as a founding detail of who I am, its a minor detail of me, and should remain as such.

Glad to have this thread! I'm Conservative and Gay, and glad their are others! And thank God I'm in Canada! Unlike the United State's Republicans, I don't have to distance my self from the Conservative Party of Canada.

In U.S. politics I am independent, and lean both ways (Canadians take huge interest in American politics...we get CNN, FOX News, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and are bombarded with your culture, lol). Presuming McCain is the Republican nominee, I lean his way against Hillary....can't stand Hillary Clinton. McCain backs away from the hard aspects of the Republican Party...he voted against the Federal Marriage Ammendment Act, and takes the view I have that is "leave it to the states".

 

Wow, I agree with everything you just said. I'd like to add rape to the list of acceptable abortions though.

 

First of all, the death penalty would not solve the problem of prison overcrowding--it's just not fast enough for it to have that kind of an effect. Rightfully so, there's too much litigation involved with people on death row that people sit there for years before being excuted, if ever. That doesn't solve the problem at all. Second, it doesn't save taxpayers any money: to put a person on death row costs millions of dollars because each candidate has to go to the Supreme Court and has to appeal his or her case at least once. Additionally, this process generally a decade or longer to resolve. Meanwhile, it costs a mere $15,000-30,000 per year to house someone in a prison.

 

Like you said, mate on top of that it's unethical. as I see it. it's not always a question of what is most practical or satisfying. it's not a question of "getting back". After all, even a murderer is a human being. That doesn't make his crime any less worse-- but what does it bring to murder a murderer?

 

Ah! Assimilationism. Honestly, I've heard it argued both ways as to its political orientation. While ethnic pride (or in this case, sexual pride) is almost universally regarded as conservative in nature, left-wingers have historically backed it if it tends toward an end such as liberation, a concept so integral to the leftist paradigm. However, it is also conservative in nature to believe in a more homogeneous society--one in which homosexuality may very well be perfectly palatable to the heterosexual majority as long as it displays no marking of an actual separate identity from the already prevailing nationalistic or cultural identity.

So, when gauging the political orientation of gay pride, we can't simply direct our judgments to the superficiality of its existence. Rather, it is the underlying reason for its presence that determines its political orientation. Your assimilationism seems to arise from a more conservative political standpoint.

I am proud to be gay not in any superficial or stereotypical manner. (so I don't dress like a queen come gay pride day -- indeed, I am not even interested in such functions.) I am not proud to be gay because I view it as some kind of political expedient. I am proud to be gay because I am proud to be myself; I am proud to be different. While I am occasionally disgusted by the actions and lifestyles of some in the gay community, I do not let this become a hindrance to my own sense of pride. I am not a typical liberal gay ideologue.


That said, your views seem quite alright.