Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?

Is this true. Was Jesus lower than angels?

I have always maintained that Jesus was a great prophet and Rabbi but I did not like the idea that He was some kind of hybrid God/Man. I did not give Him divinity for reasons of scripture that did not quite jive. IE He said the time of the end was at hand and it obviously was not.



Hebrews 2-9

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Is this true? Was Jesus lower than angels?

How can He be divine in light of this scripture?

Regards

DL

 

The only difference is that Jesus was a man, which is automatically lower than an angel.

I do believe it has to do with the physical world, Jesus had to have been man to face all he suffered.

BUT, that has nothing to do with divinity. Divinity is within the spirit, the soul, not the body.

 

And yet it ia a body that god produced as well as a soul.

Why were the angels to adore Him if He was lower than them?

Regards
DL.

 

Check out the Christian Sanctuary post on Angels & Stuff, where Xexon amd Neodude argue that humans are above angels in status, although below them in power. Humans were created in the image and likeness of God, and are His pride and joy. If this is true, than Jesus was above angels for two reasons: he was divine and he was human.

 

Let's remove the gender reference to God and say that humans are the only creation that can wield "God Power".

Our mental capacity gives us the ability to manifest the musings of our higher self. The trouble is, our higher self has to compete with the sensory input from the body and an undisciplined imagination which creates it's own reality.

When you can rise above that torrent, you can almost hear the silence as you approach the eye of the storm.

Angels are already near there, but they do not evolve. They have no need to return home.

Incarnated humans on the other hand are like salmon swimming upstream in the river of life. Our ability to create ensures a good ride, as we play a game of hide and seek with our true nature.

We created the game. We play it with ourself. And we've created over 6 billion individual dollies to keep us amused in our make believe world.

Angels are a part of that world, but they did not create it.



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I think that the theology of Hebrews didn't mean that Jesus the being was lower than the angels, but he made himself a man, and men are lower than angels.

 

Why?


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Jesus took upon our sins when He dies, do He for that time suffered as a sinner. It also says in Mark that God had left Him at that time. So Jesus, the Son of God, paid plenty for our sins by being killed, abandoned by God and made lower than Angels - to just a man who was carrying all our sins.

This is why Christians say there is no need to worry any longer, as all of this means we can be saved.

 

We are all in the image of God.

Jesus was a great prophet and Rabbi but to call Him a hybrid God/man is to insult both God and man.
God does not practice bestiality.

Regards
DL

 

Are we really?
When was the last time we made a comparison?

Regards
DL

 

Do you feel OK with someone else paying your dept?
I pay my own way.

Regards
DL

 

Why what. I didn't say what I think personally about Jesus status and man's status in contrast to angels'. I described what I think the theology of Hebrews describes.

 

I don't know if we are. I was describing the text's views, not my own views.

 

Greatest i am, why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us the answer. Same goes for the rest of your puzzles.

 

Your own opinion is what I seek.

Theology belongs to someone else.

 

No hidden agenda this time bud.

This scripture just happens to fit my view of Jesus as just a man and I was looking for confirmation.

Regards
DL

 

There are four possibilities for Jesus: mere man, a human exalted by God, a divine being being come to help others become divine, or unique God-man. Read Linda Woodhead's book, "Christianity A very Short Introduction." She elaborates on these possible natures of Jesus.

What is your opinion (asking in general)?

Peace and love

 

I respect Jesus as a great prophet and Rabbi bit would not insult both God and man by calling him a hybrid God/man.

God saw the angels breeding with woman and was offended. I can't see Him turning around after frowning on this practice and then doing the same Himself with Mary.
If we consider God a species and man another species then bestiality become the word for His encounter with Mary.
If God is a trinity then here is another problem. Where were the holy ghost and the father while Jesus was taking a 9 month holiday.
speaking of the trinity, how can Jesus be a part of it in the beginning when Mary had yet to be born.

See what I mean. If Jesus is divine then all kinds of problems arise.

Regards
DL

 

Greatest, if you are interested on the nature of Jesus, I have some suggestions for you to investigate. Look into the Christology debates, which helped create the ideas we have for Jesus today. One such debate is the Arian Controversy. Arius was the originator and his movement did not hold Jesus as fully divine. Another debate was the Apollinarian debate, which held that Jesus was not fully man. A third debate was called the Nestorian Controversy which objected the title "Theotokos" for Mary, which means the Mother of God.

These debates focused on many of the points you have made about the nature of Jesus, based on logical arguments. For example, Arius' argument was based on these ideas: 1. The father existed before the son, so the son must have been created by the father.
2. God is unknowable to his creatures, therefore, the father is unknowable to the son.
This leads to:
1. the son is a creature who derives from the will of God.
2. The term "son" is a metaphor, which doesn't imply the father and son share the same being or status.
3. The status of the son is a consequence of the will of the father, not the nature of the son.

This is one example of how the nature of Jesus has been debated. You may find it interesting to learn more about these debates which reflect the questions you have as well.

Peace and love

 

Sounds like some Nazi or KKK god. But really, he was concerned that the angel-overseers had contaminated the experiment by mingling angel DNA with human DNA. God didn't copulate with Mary. She was spiritually impregnated, so the DNA issue didn't arise.

Angels are angels. God is God.

God isn't a species, He's one of a kind.

This question has been anwered on one of your earlier posts. ("When Jesus was in Mary What Happened to the Tirinty?") Check it out, or if you still don't get it, watch some StarTrek episodes on time travel, or the Terminator reruns.

Hey, that's life. Full of problems!