Merging with mexico and canada?

No one believes me......


http://youtube.com/watch?v=FEC4xk8tXsk&feature=PlayList&p=3116CC5330476541&index=1

 

Of course they don't believe you. If it's not widely reported by the mainstream corporate media, which serves to feed people their opinions and tell them what and what not to believe, then it's a "conspiracy theory."

The plan to merge the three countries has been a goal of the Elite for a very long time. It goes back well before NAFTA went into effect in '94, and is seen by the elite as the natural progression in the move towards world governance. This began with the creation of the League of Nations in 1919, which later became the United Nations in 1945, which was followed with the European Community in 1951 and then the European Union in 1993. This coincided with a European court and parliament, and was later followed with a standardized currency called the Euro. The same thing is planned for the Americas. The end goal of the Elite is to create three trading blocs -- a Pan-American, European and Asian-Pacific union -- which will eventually be joined together and overseen by one global authority, which was what the UN was set up to eventually become by the Anglo-American elites of the Council on Foreign Relations and Royal Institute for International Affairs.

The documents are out there for anyone to see, but most people will only look into something if they hear Katie Couric or Tom Brokaw talking about it.

 

you'd think people would at least notice the words "novus ordo seclorum" on our dollar bill......

 

i believe you. they can call it a North American "community" if they want, doesn't change what it is.

 

no, its not going to happen.

 

i believe you, that there are definately people in power who are already putting the plan into motion, but i have a feeling it won't happen, at least for a while.

 

I never thought it would be possible to have something sillier than Loose Change..

 

wouldn't happen to europe or africa either.

 

It WONT happen for North America

The social context is sooooooo much different from Europe, please.

 

Not really, between NAFTA, CENTCOM and the open-border advocates we're almost there, keep in mind that european nations found ways to implement their vision for a unified europe over the protestations of their respective populaces. They still are, right now i believe they are or have already cemented a treaty that is identical to the E.U. constitution that their people already objected to.

We're already about 3/4 the way there already, we just don't call ourselves the NAU yet. the ingredients: Financial crises, Security Threats and open borders. All three demand action, the government's solutions will be a migratory program for illegal aliens, citizen biometric database, a regional economic policy, and further collaboration with mexico, canada and the u.s. armed forces. what you end up with is a supra-national currency, a supra-national citizenry database, and a supra-national armed forces, and you also need agencies and departments to facilitate those things, ways to arbitrate disputes and such. otherwise known as a supra-national government, a regional government, a union of north american nations...

The social context is perfect for it, it might need a bit of a push for the citizens to go along, but the business and political leaders of the three governemnts are already on board.

And please tell me what is the difference in social context between Europe and North America?

 

Shallow ("trade") integration doesn't necessarily result in deeper integration (for every example where it does, there are 20 where it doesn't), and even deeper integration (monetary union, etc) is a far cry from an actual merger.

 

more like for every 20 there is 1 where it doesn't, i recall a period in time when 13 states were soveriegn over their respective territories within a loose confederation. Also it's not just trade, it's also security, territorial integrity, and our legal system.Besides, "doesn't necessarily" is far from comforting.

 

That and it's rectangular "the shape of evil"

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

 

i wish you knew what you were talking about so i could at least debate your retarded ass....

 

novus=new
ordo=order
seclorum=secular

been there all along dumbass

 

With the mess the US is in, why would we want to join? I don't see it happening for a VERY long time.
And if by chance it does go through in my time, I just hope the Canadian government will fund peoples move to Europe (or else where), because I'll be the first one on a plane to Denmark.

 

And it doesn't serve you. You pissed yourself yellow when lou dobbs errouneously discribed it. I was nice wasn't I, I let you have your fun didn't I? I didn't say a word did I? Though I knew Lou dobbs blew everything out of proportion and got every single point wrong. This is Far-right wing CT bull crap and you bought into it hook line and sinker.

There is no NAU plan get that through your head. Nafta is indeed real but it has nothing to do with a NAU plan. Also never compare the EU to NAFTA, NASCO, or the SPP, they aren't similar in context it's comparing apples to organes. You'd know that if you did the actually researched instead of coping and pasting from uncited CT sources. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with improving economical trade, it does not compromise anyones sovernity. This conjecture you keep spewing without proof must come to an end once and for all.

Matter of fact, I'll pull the actual documents for you and explain them to you.

The ironic thing is you suggest the media is corrupt but then turn to lou dobbs.

Lou dobbs a old man who has no idea what he's talking about ever just like you never do. Further more, The only one the media has brain washed is you. You've gotten every single point wrong. Every single point. I ask you kindly to retact your statement after you read my comments and the following "original" sources.

A think tank called the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) had a task force that put out a report called "Building A North American Community". If you read through the report, http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf contrary to what you've heard said time and time again by NAU conspiracy theorists, you'll find that it does not call for a "North American Union." Moreover, the CFR itself doesn't even take official positions on foreign policy issues because its members have a wide variety of different opinions on the issues. So, there's no cabal of globalists sitting around at the Council on Foreign Relations, rubbing their hands together sinisterly, and plotting to sell us out to Canada or Mexico, but even if there were, so what? Think tanks champion all sorts of ideas, good and bad; it doesn't necessarily follow that they're implemented by the government.

If you contact Lee Feinstein, Executive Director of the Task Force Program at the Council of Foreign Relations he'll explain to you the report calls for improving security between the borders, steps to grow the American economy, and improving trade. Infact, he was asked if the report favors merging the United States, Canada, and Mexico, his reply was, "It doesn't favor anything of the kind." Indeed, if you read through the report I posted above, you will find that it doesn't call for the creation of a superstate. Moreover, Mr. Feinstein said he would be flattered if people in the Bush Administration were reading and paying attention to the report, but he denied that it was being used as any sort of "blueprint" and said, "Realistically, anyone outside the government has to be modest about the impact that they have on government policy because the government has its own ideas of what it wants to do."

 

NASCO, is a business organization that promotes businesses up and down a certain stretch of highway in the U.S., Mexico and Canada and they do support the building of the Trans-Texas Corridor. However, NASCO isn't affiliated with the Bush Administration, nor were they formed to promote any sort of North American Union. You can like NASCO or not, you can be for or against the Trans-Texas Corridor, but understand that neither project has anything to do with a plot to merge the United States with Mexico or Canada.

And The group behind the "NAFTA Super Highway" is called NASCO. They're not a government entity and they're not advocating building "four football field-wide" roads or even new roads at all. They just support the expansion of existing roads to better serve business interests in the U.S., Mexico, and Canada.

Tiffany Melvin, the Executive director of NASCO recently to took the time to discuss the North American Union conspiracy theory. Here's what she had to say:

"NASCO is a non-profit organization that has been around for 12 years. We have no secret meetings with the Bush administration and we're not part of a conspiracy. We're a business organization trying to promote the NASCO Corridor and the connecting highways in Canada and Mexico as an efficient, secure transportation system that will attract companies to use our corridor for their business."

NASCO has gotten so tired of the conspiracy theories swirling around them that they've actually put up a "NASCO Myths Debunked" http://www.nascocorridor.com/NASCO_Myths_Debunked.pdf section on their website to try to kill some of these stupid rumors. People who believe they're involved in creating some sort of "North American Union" should take a look at that article. It'll quickly ease their concerns.


Then there's the Security and Prosperity Partnership. The SPP works under the Commerce Department and they are working on increasing cooperation between the U.S., Mexico, and Canada on a variety of issues (which is something we're always doing). However, again, despite what you may have heard, the SPP is not based on the "Building A North American Community" report. Furthermore, they're not working on an Amero or a North American Union. They say so right on their own website:

"The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers."


So, if the SPP and the Bush Administration are actually working on a North American Union, despite their denials, where’s the hard proof? Not, "Well, look at Bush's position on illegal immigration." Not, "This language on the SPP website sounds kind of similar to this language in the CFR report." Not, "There's a college professor who thinks this is a good idea." Where's the real proof that the Bush Administration is actually working on an Amero or merging the U.S. with Canada or Mexico? There is none and there won't ever be any offered.

If you don't believe me and you don't believe the main sources, then believe your own knowledge of how the U.S. Government works. To merge the United States into a North American Union would obviously require a whole host of Constitutional Amendments. In fact, so many would be necessary that the only possible way to accomplish it would be through a Constitutional Convention, an event that hasn't occurred in over 200 years and that would require the support of 34 state legislatures to be possible. So, even if George Bush or any other U.S. President were so inclined to create a North American superstate, he would be powerless to do so unless he were able to rally 2/3 of America's state legislatures to his side.

Since that is the case, there's simply no need for people to try to turn run-of-the-mill attempts to improve cooperation with Canada and Mexico into some sort of vast conspiracy to create a North American Union. The reality is that since Mexico and Canada are our neighbors and our biggest trading partners, there are plenty of reasons for the government and private industry to try to streamline and improve our relationship with them on security, trade, and other issues. So, let's worry about real problems instead of non-existent conspiracy theories that melt like snow in the middle of a Texas summer the moment you take a hard look at them


Accept the fact you got every single point wrong Pressed_Rat. Every single point.

I ask of you to be intellectually honest for once and retract your statement.