"God doesn't believe in atheists"

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The Atheist Test
I don't believe in atheists. This isn't because I haven't met people who claim the title, but because such a person cannot be. Let's imagine that you are a professing atheist. I will ask you two questions: First, do you know the combined weight of all the sand on all the beaches of Hawaii? I think I can safely assume that you don't. This brings us to the second question: Do you know how many hairs are on the back of a fully grown male Tibetan yak? Probably not. I think, therefore, that it is reasonable for me to conclude that there are some things you don't know. It is important to ask these questions because there are some people who think they know everything.

Let's say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know everything. There wouldn't be a rock in the universe that you would not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not be aware of. You would know everything that has happened in history, from that which is common knowledge to the minor details of the secret love life of Napoleon's great-grandmother's black cat's fleas. You would know every hair of every head, and every thought of every heart. All history would be laid out before you, because you would be omniscient (all-knowing).

Bear in mind that one of the greatest scientists who ever lived, Thomas Edison, said, "We do not know a millionth of one percent about anything." Let me repeat: Let's say that you have an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. Would it be possible, in the ninety-nine percent of the knowledge that you haven't yet come across, that there might be ample evidence to prove the existence of God? If you are reasonable, you will be forced to admit that it is possible. Somewhere, in the knowledge you haven't yet discovered, there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist.

Let's look at the same thought from another angle. If I were to make an absolute statement such as, "There is no gold in China," what is needed for that statement to be proven true? I need absolute or total knowledge. I need to have information that there is no gold in any rock, in any river, in the ground, in any store, in any ring, or in any mouth (gold filling) in China. If there is one speck of gold in China, then my statement is false and I have no basis for it. I need absolute knowledge before I can make an absolute statement. Conversely, for me to say, "There is gold in China," I don't need to have all knowledge. I just need to have seen a speck of gold in the country, and the statement is then true.

To say categorically, "There is no God," is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.

If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?

The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an "agnostic"--one who claims he "doesn't know" if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is "ignoramus." The Bible tells us that this ignorance is "willful" (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the "atheist" can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.

It is said that Mussolini (the Italian dictator), once stood on a pinnacle and cried, "'God, if you are there, strike me dead!" When God didn't immediately bow to his dictates, Mussolini then concluded that there was no God. However, his prayer was answered some time later.

 

are you talking about the sand on the land, or under the water in Hawaii? And I believe the hair on a yak would vary between yaks.

I am an atheist and I don't believe that I know everything. I simply don't believe in any god. This is just my belief. I don't force it upon anyone, and I wouldn't expect anyone to force their beliefs upon me.

To say that you don't believe in atheists is ridiculous. Just because a person doesn't know something for a fact, doesn't conclude that they can't believe it. This is the same reason for why you might believe in God. You do not know that He exists, yet you believe.

I haven't acquired this "faith" that seems to be the argument for why God exists (if that made any sense). My beliefs may change, but I am an atheist for now. This was an interesting post though. I'd like to see what more people have to say.

 

I don't believe in a Christian God entity b/c I don't believe in mythologies. From this logic, why would a Christian God be more likely than the Greek gods and goddesses? Wouldn't we have just as much reason to believe in Zeus, Hera, Aries, and the other figures as we would for the Christian entity?

There is a force that manifests in all things, a force that cannot be understood with thinking. Call it what you want, but it isn't an entity separate from us as the Christian God is (or the Greek gods and goddesses!)

Peace and love

 

Seriously? That is some major weak shit...

So assuming that this is your position you automatically believe in anything I can come up with because there is no way for you to disprove it... so santa is real to you... the toanisians that cause cinnamon toast crunch to be crunchy also exist.

Basically this is like saying "you can't prove my imaginary friend doesn't exist therefore he exists" thats a huge logical fallacy... now obviously you wouldn't care if it follows any logic as long as you can prance around claiming that you are the heir to divine knowledge.

Damn, this is just a god of the gaps argument, and what the fuck would it matter that mussolini fell dead? Thats what humans do eventually - die. That's like wishing someone dead and then 60 years later being amazed with your awesome power... fucking lame.

Seriously what mind does this argument work in??

 

You beat me to it, gravity. Nice post

 

"What if the captain really is who he says he is?" Hawkeye
"No chance. I tested him. Said a little prayer to him before. No big deal, just a little test. Just to be on the safe side, and my prayer wasn't answered. Stick that in your hair and rub it." Frank
"Frank, just b/c you didn't get any chocolate pudding at lunch doesn't prove anything." Hawkeye
"How did you know I prayed for chocolate pudding?"
"You always pray for chocolate pudding."
Quo vadis, Captain Chandler?

I think Frank Burns would find that argument convincing...

Peace and love

 

Faith is not just important, it's vital. If you don't believe in Gods' words, your basically calling God a liar.

It is written that no one looks for God. So even so called 'Christians' have problems gaining salvation... because they don't put God first and lack faith. Many say that they 'believe', but a lot of times, they are just hearers of the Word and not doers of it.

 

wow @ your arrogants

I have one question for you.. are you a good person?

 

I don't see how rebutting your argument makes him arrogant, or a bad person. It just shows how people like you can be proven wrong and not think anything of it.

 

I'm a very good person, and I know what you are doing. You are going down the road that kirk cameron and ray comfort love to roam. Your next questions go something like 'have you ever lied? even a small lie' 'have you ever stolen'..

Please don't try to follow ray comfort and his banana bullshit.

So I'm interested in your evidence for a deity -- go ahead and choose any deity and prove them... this could be really interesting.

I look forward to your response.

 

I agree.

I disagree. Since human knowledge is always limited and tentative, faith is essential. For the same reason, God understands that just because we haven't been persuaded to put our trust in a particular book doesn't mean we're calling Him a liar. Isn't saying that God gave us reason as our most distinctive attribute just to throw it away in favor of blind faith calling God absurd?

I have faith--that you're wrong.

 

I'm a Christian, but I'm basically with you on this issue. There are Christian zealots and atheist zealots, and then there are sensible people in both camps who admit they don't know it all and that that's okay. It's how you live your life that counts.

 

I'm not calling him arrogant because he 'rebutted' my arguement.. I'm calling him arrogant because in his almost complete ignorance, he called God my "Imaginary" friend.....

and its not that he's a bad person, although he is.. Its that no ones good, except One. We all fall short of goodness on our own.

 

I'm surprised that you heard about them... Gravity

wow @ your self righteousnous.. what makes you a 'very good' person( Not just a 'good' person or even just a decent person)

btw you are a liar, and a thief, and much more that that... yet your not just a good person but a VERY good person... atleast, in your OWN eyes..

I dont have any physical evidence, just personal experience

 

She didn't admit to being a liar and a thief. How do you know she is? She's not a perfect person, but neither are we. Judge not, lest ye be judged!

 

Ozone, I can see you starting to use the exact logic that gravity said you'd use. Good move.

 

I also have much personal experience that mythological figures don't exist- even the Christian God. What makes your God "real" rather than the many other gods and goddesses?

Peace and love

 

Good post, you can't prove something exists simply by the lack of evidence disproving it.

People have witnessed David Blaine fly, but that doesn't mean he actually did. The initials UFO stand for Unidentified Flying Object. You can take any light traveling through the sky at night, and if you can't positively identify it then by definition it would be a UFO. But this doesn't automatically mean that it's an extraterrestrial spacecraft. I've learned that personal experience is not always reliable as evidence, people can be easily tricked into believing almost anything.

I have to admit that there is a thing that science refers to as Mother Nature. If you wish to think of Mother Nature as a type of God, and the almighty God as the King of all Gods that even governs over Mother Nature, then I can see where you can justify the existence of a God.

One religion says that God does not want you to eat pork. Later we found that pork had parasites and if you didn't cook it well enough you could get Trichinosis. In the past people attributed this as an act of God, but today we know the real reason. Religion also frowns upon incest, but today we know about the hazards of inbreeding. Granted that there were a lot of good things that could be learned in church, but religion does not have a monopoly on the facts.

What I'm trying to get at here is that in the past when there was very little knowledge of how nature worked, simply having faith in the teachings of the church was beneficial to your well being. But in today's world the secrets of the magician are being revealed, and we are now at a point in history where we no longer have to blindly follow what the church tells us. We now base our beliefs on what we can scientifically prove to be accurate and repeatable, and question the things where we have no supporting evidence.

So if you wish to believe in God, psychics, astrology, space aliens, big foot or the Loch Ness monster, then that is your choice. But for the rest of us, we have reasons to be skeptical.

 

Why are Christians so obsessed with trying to convince atheists that their god exists? Is it like the alcoholic who wants everybody to drink with him so he can pretend he doesn't have a problem?

 

Haha ouch.