Anti-male bias AND male privilege.

We have one group saying that there is anti-male bias and another group claiming that there is such a thing as "male privilege". Whose right? BOTH!
Very few men or women are fighting for equality, but rather for their specific gender. They will point out the injustices against them and ignore the benefits they have.
Its called the "Battles of the Sexes" for a reason. Like most battles and wars, people are trying to win a pointless issue. But this war might be the most idiotic of all, Innies vs. Outies.

For whatever-you-believe-in's sake, stop fighting the opposite gender and start fighting the entire idea of gender. Because there is far more important factors to judge someone than their genitalia.

 

nice. there are positives and negatives to everyone's experience, and painting everyone with the same brush as a few is asinine in the extreme.

 

yeah give up the battle, because women already won it. No matter what happens in the public arena, dudes always seem to be answering to their signif. other. Men control the world, women control men. I think both sexes are equally moronic.

And yes, I did generalize. But rational people should automatically see the asterisk by such statements and know that the notion that there are exceptions to every rule is implied.

 

Yes, we have different experiences, but does that make one experience more valuable than another? No. I'm not saying that we should pretend that there are not differences between men and women; however, we should embrace these differences and value them equally. Instead of fighting for the rights of one gender or the other, why don't we fight for HUMAN rights? For example, the difference in pay for people doing the same job. It is not only a gender issue, but also an ethnic issue. So instead of saying women need equal pay, say that all people deserve equal pay (for doing the same job with the same level of work), that my pay shouldn't matter if I'm white, black, female, male, etc, but should be based on my credentials and how well I'm doing that job. We are not just a gender, but people who should be treated as individuals, not a stereotype, no matter what it is.

Peace and love

 

No, women havent won it. There are women who control men, and men who control women. While men are taught to provide their partner what they want, women are taught to depend on their partner for what they want. A man is mocked if he earns too little, but a women is mocked if she earns too much.

Really? Please explain these differences that aren't anotomical and weren't made up by society.

True. However, its the differences of individuals, not genders.

Agreed on those two points and the one example in between.

Always.

 

seriously? you think the only differences between men and women are anatomical and defined by society? Unless you're also willing to say that the chemical and psychological differences between the two are purely a result of societal prescriptions, I'd retract that. Besides, the onus should be on you to prove that all differences between the sexes are manmade.

 

Fine, we have different levels of various chemicals. But yes, I'm to say that about psychological differences. And no, you gotten the burden of proof all wrong. If you are going to claim something exists, you should have some sort of evidence. Its up to me to disprove your "evidence". I already asked for this. Until you can find one universal behavioral difference, it would be ridiculous for you to claim that they exists and your idea is just pure, wild speculation.
Show me a skirt, and I'll show you a kilt. Show me a girl who likes boys, and I'll show you a girl who likes girls. Show me a macho man, and I'll show you a man crying it the shoulder of a woman. You have no proof, because it doesn't exist.

 

i think y'all are saying the same thing, actually, just in different ways. there are basic physiological and chemical differences between the sexes, as well as man-made rules of behavior. the only ones that are harmful are the ones that force people to think thyey're supposed to sit in one little box all their life and other people wanting to keep them there based on some erroneous pigeonholing. what about all those square pegs being shoved into round holes. there's bound to be a great deal of resentment.

 

It would be impossible for me to declare a universal difference to which you couldn't find exception. I'm as loose with defining gender as anyone. Often I think transexual or homosexual ppl are just born that way. that they're simply the opposite gender in the other one's body. But that's not always the case; one can learn to be that way.

Your original context was about the futility of fighting for one gender's rights over the other, by even comparing it to debating innies vs. outies. I fully agree with all of that, and wanted to add that the most prominent commonality between the sexes is ignorance and fallibility. As far as debate is concerned, that's the only general similarity I'm going to define.

But for you or I to say there are other governing principles common to both sexes is to , as mamak put it "paint everyone with the same brush as a few." I can cite observations about gender from my wife or other women I've known, but those are personality differences, not gender differences. My comment about women having already won, was facetious and was only meant to convey the futility in such a battle, and to convey the MAJORITY of r'ships, not every last one. My wife and I are as role-reversed as they come, and are a minority.

Admittedly, I pointed the burden of proof in your direction by mistake. There is no burden of proof because there is nothing to prove.

 

there's a few instances where shit just went all silly, like the classic example of the female firefighter. for pete's sake, just let the big, burly muscular guy drag my ass out, okay? it's nothing against women, you're just too weak. there's LOADS of men who can't do it, either. let women go into combat and get blown the fuck up if they want to. why the hell not? there's a lot of areas where i think people are just unreasonable and irrational.

 

That was what I was essentially saying. The differences in thought process is due to socialization and brain wiring (as testosterone wires the brain differently than estrogen).

Yes, we are different, but differences do not mean inequality.

Peace and love

 

To a certain degree... I can agree with that assesment.
I think the time has come to end the 'OLD WHITE Politicians' running our world. But! I also think that the U.S. family court system still sides with the mother. On the subject of(Ahem.) Privildge, aren't those supposed to be earned????? Not granted?!

 

agreed. priveledges SHOULD be EARNED, not granted automatically. whether those privedges are in the family court system or in any other situation. things should be based on a person to person basis.

 

It's tiring to keep hearing people say in this debate 'but there's differences!' there are always differences but should we always define everybody by how they're different? Most of the time the differences are irrelevant in every situation.