Christians. Why do you respect a God that kills humans and does not denounce slavery?

Christians. Why do you respect a God that kills humans and does not denounce slavery?

The Bible often depicts scenes where God kills humans. The largest numbers was with His genocidal flood where all but 8 of millions are killed including children and babies.

We vilify humans like Hitler who use genocide against nations yet in the case of God using the same tactic, we honor Him that much more for doing the right thing. Rather a double standard.

Further reading of scripture shows that nowhere does God speak against slavery or the acquisition of many wives.

In fact we are told how to handle and chastise slaves and wives and unruly children. The best or worse way, depending on your views is here;



Deut21-18

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

I can see worship of a loving God but the Bible shows a God that is less than loving and in fact it Shows a God that did not create perfect works;

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

But also does not seem to do much of anything right.

He could not come out of Heaven without bringing Satan with Him and could not get Adam and Eve out of the garden in a way that He would approve of.

So Christians, why do you follow an incompetent killer of men who breaks His own law whenever He likes.

We would not follow a human law maker who broke his own laws. Why do you follow a God that does?

For the record, I do not believe that God has ever killed anyone but most Christians argue against me on that point.

You win now explain why you honor a killer.

Regards

DL

 

You seem to be well versed in the things you hate. Why is this?



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I tend to answer answres to my question, not question to my questions until I get answers.

Regards
DL

 

I don't. I don't take the Bible literally, so none of the crap you dig up phases me. I also believe in Process Theology, which rejects the notion of an omnipotent, omniscient deity whose nature is static. God grows!

 

im starting to think the OP is a troll.

Okie i think God is static, but all that killing and hate in the old testament is no way from God. The flood maybe, but that's about it.

 

I do not read the Bible literally either but many do and also even those who do not believe in the flood.

I also agree that God must change. I call it evolving perfection because at a minimum, God must be perfect and allowed to do perfect works.

Do you consider the world perfect or is it all screwed up?

Is your God perfect or something less?

Regards

DL

 

If your God is static then all that we are will disappear upon our death because God will not be able to absorb us into the Godhead or heaven. We may as well all be atheists.

If He and His universe were stagnant then He could not have added to it by creating the earth and you and me.

Regards

DL

 

Who is to say we are absorbed into the Godhead? That is rather derivitive of a Brahma concept. Who is to say the universe is static as well, or that the universe and God are connected in the fashion that you imlpy?

I think what neodude said can fit into the literal/fundamentalist concept of heaven as a "cloudly place, and a golden city" idea from cartoons. If a coropeal God reigns in a physical transcendant realm, then a static God can allow human souls to enter the afterlife. However, I do not feel like debating the logistics or rationale of a physical heaven or a coropeal God because I think they are quite silly.

 

The Bible needs to be read in the context it was written. People would have contributed any natural disaster to God back then, because they did not know any better, so I don't think that just because the Bible speaks of God punishing people, it necessarily went down that way.
The Bible doesn't speak out against having many wives, slavery, etc because (I think) it doesn't need to... We were given our commandments and teachings to live by, which condensed, basically tell us to be loving and respecting of our fellow man. Why should we need any more instruction?
I do not believe that God makes bad things happen. I do not believe the devil necesssarily makes bad things happen. I think of God as a great watchmaker: he winds us up and lets us go. He lets us live our lives in the world that was made for us. When we die, we go back to him. I don't think many people make it to Hell anymore...

I'm kind of a "bad" Christian, though by some standards, so I guess you can't really go by what I think. I live by more of a "what the fuck do we know?" kind of philosphy...
Basically, I believe that there is God, there is Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, and that we are here to love each other. I believe that we are supposed to love our neighbors and rejoice in our differences. What else is there to know? I think all those rules and "you're not s'posed to do this" junk is a bunch of bullshit. Just live! As long as you're not hurting anyone, then there's nothing to worry about. That stuff is between you and your creator anyhow and no one should say anything to you about your own salvation...


PS: The "world" is fucked up. The Earth is perfect.

 

Well said. That is similar to my views.

 

Ditto.

 

Hi greatest I am,

It’s interesting that you compare God to Hitler but last time I looked Hitler was not omniscient nor did he have the ability to resurrect the dead which makes what they did two entirely different things.

As for your picking out a couple of scriptures and saying look God is evil, I would suppose that if I took a look at your life and took one or two things out of context, I could make you look like almost anything from a Saint to the Devil incarnate.

 

You are right about a non corporeal God and heaven.

A stagnant God though would not eevn know of new souls that need a place to land.

He could not absorb that new information.

He must be allowed to evolve wit us to a higher perfection.

As the US constitution says, a more perfect union.

Regards
DL
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Your philosophy is better than many harder cored Christians. Carry on. We will meet in Heaven.

If there is a God thought, and there is, then please allowh Him to make all His systems perfect, not just the earth.

Regards
DL

 

Good for you as well.

Regards
DL

 

You are right about that but that does not justify anyone using genocide.

It is still ann immoral practice by anyone including God.

What does it mean that God is love? First we will look at how God's Word, the Bible, describes "love," and then we will see a few ways that it applies to God. "Love is patient. Love is kind. It does not want what belongs to others. It does not brag. It is not proud. It is not rude. It does not look out for its own interests. It does not easily become angry. It does not keep track of other people's wrongs. Love is not happy with evil; but it is full of joy when the truth is spoken. It always protects. It always trusts. It always hopes. It never gives up. Love never fails" (1 Corinthians 13:4-8a).

What happened to this love when God sent the flood?

Even the math shows a stupid God. If He knows all things then He knew in the beginning that Adam and Eve would produce a world that had to be destroyed. Why not just kill the two and not have to later look like a genocidl maniac by killing millions.

Two deaths are better than millions right? Especially when the evil in the world just came right back up again and God must return again at end time to now destroy billions. A strange and stupid God indeed if you believe that the flood realy happened.

Regards
DL

 

Hi DL,

It’s hard to answer several questions at the same time. I’ll try to answer a couple.

Your question about genocide:
Yes, I would have to agree that genocide is always wrong, although there are some who would disagree with us.

But why is it wrong? It’s indiscriminate destruction of innocent groups of people for which there is no redress for those killed.

You may not agree if this definition, but for the sake of discussion, I’ll assume you do. But this means by definition an omniscient omnipotent God who can resurrect can not commit genocide.

This is for couple of reasons:

One, he can be can be selective and only bring destruction to those he knows not to be innocent and Two, such destruction need not be permanent, because with his ability to resurrect, he can call dead ones back to life from what appears to them a deep sleep and they can be given a second chance.

Your question about, “What happened to this love when God sent the flood?”

First, many misunderstand the word Love; they think love is all sweetness and light, but it’s not, Love is also responsible and must make the hard decisions.

Second, who does he have a responsibility to show love to. (Yes, to everyone and we can get into that later if you want)

Okay, what was the situation at the time of the flood?

Consequently God saw that the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the [true] God and the earth became filled with violence. So God saw the earth and, look! It was ruined, because all flesh had ruined its way on the earth.

Noah was a righteous man. He proved himself faultless among his contemporaries. Go, you and all, your household, into the ark, because you are the one I have seen to be righteous before me among this generation

As a loving God in this situation what would you do? If you found someone you loved living in a garbage dump, what would you do? If you had the power to help them would you just leave them there? If you owned a beautiful home and left to travel and asked someone to take care of it and when you came back they had turned it into a garbage dump would you say, “oh that’s okay” or would you remove them fix it up and move someone in that you knew would take care of it?

In fact that’s what God did he removed the wicked people saved the righteous cleaned the earth and returned the righteous to the earth. Seems loving to me.

Your last question: If He knows all things then He knew in the beginning that Adam and Eve would produce a world that had to be destroyed. Why not just kill the two and not have to later look like a genocidal maniac by killing millions.

This is really two questions:

A) If He knows all things, then He knew in the beginning that Adam and Eve would produce a world that had to be destroyed.

Omniscience, by definition is having the ability to know all things past, present and future. Having an ability does not mean one has to use it and in fact, if we are to have freewill, God can not use this ability to see what we as individuals will do because then we would no longer have freewill in that matter. So, no, God does not know all things, he choose not to, to allow us to have freewill. Therefore he did not know that Adam and Eve would sin.

B) Why not just kill the two and not have to later look like a genocidal maniac by killing millions.

This is quite simple, if he had killed Adam and Eve, he would have killed, not just millions at the flood, but also the billions alive today, seeing as we are all their descendants. Seeing as I like being alive, I’m glad he didn’t kill them.



Sorry for being long winded,

OWB

 

The bible is a bunch of stories which neither God nor Jesus wrote.

 

fondfarewell what you say, with the possible exception of the ten commandments, is true but you make it sound like that’s a bad thing.

 

If God creates man, creates perfection, and loves his creatures, why would he kill all of his creatures who were supposedly "evil" in the flood? Were those lives inconsequential to a benevolent god? Also, if God is unconditional love, why would he give us free will and yet punish us for not believing exactly what he wants us to? This is a contradiction, for a god to give us freedom and then punishes us for using that freedom cannot be unconditional love.

Why would god destroy people who are not living as he wanted them to? Why would he not try to save them, such as by sending Noah as his messenger to "save" them from their "sins?" Also, the story is so vague we cannot understand how these people were evil; they just were. Wouldn't god take pity on his lost creatures rather than destroy them? There are too many inconsistencies and contradictions in the Old and New Testament that I find it impossible to view the Bible as anything more than a flawed book. I find Jesus' teachings much more important than an archaic book.

Peace and love