Does God create perfect souls or imperfect souls? Or both?

Your point has been that no one has told you what to believe.

My point is to recognize what has influenced your beliefs.

Peace and love

 

Right, No one has told me what to believe. That doesn't mean that I have made it up all by myself, just that no one has forced me to believe something.

You say to recognise what has influenced my beliefs - I'm not stupid! I have said before that there are many things which influence the way we look at things, which then decide the way we believe in things.

You still seem to be unable to get that all I am saying is that no one has forced me to believe in something - that it is what I just belive in.

 

Perhaps you should review what I've been posting. I have never said that anyone forced you to believe something. It seems as if you are equating "influencing" with "forcing." Why? You are arguing on a point that isn't being debated.

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Well what Freurbach claims about god though is that we project only our good qualities, so God becomes benevolent while when we look at ourselves we only see bad things in compared to our "God" and then we have guilt. So technically god isn't created in man's image--God is created in perfection, and we compare ourselves to unattainable standards.

 

I just replaced 'told' with 'forced' - quite similar really. If you are told to believe something something, I think you are being forced to.

Again, read what I have said, there is nothing there to suggest I mean influenced to mean forced!

I have said the same thing over and over again now and you still seem to not grasp what I am saying. So for the last time - I may have decided on what to believe from many factors, but have not been told to believe in something. If I didn't agree with it - I wouln't agree with it end of story. Really don't see why you are making this such a big thing. Maybe it is you who doesn't understand the difference between being told and being influenced!!!

 

i'm not a christian, but i believe ALL SOULS are "perfect" souls. (whether some 'god' 'creates' them, or however else it might happen that they come into existence.) what happens in life, is that people loose touch with their true selves. childhood, enculturation, even beliefs of all flavours, yes christianity as well, contribute to their doing so. (as might over adamant "anti-beliefs").

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This is a contradiction in terms. If a thing is perfect, it can't be improved, or the definition of it as perfect was clearly not right to begin with.

If we say the soul is perfect, that doesn't mean the rest of the being is perfect. The mind, body and feelings may be very far from perfect, and in most cases, the soul is something people know of only by hearsay - they have no experience of the soul. Often they can't even really say exactly what they mean by 'soul'.

 

I agree, like Rogers said, people are born innately good and it is life experiences/ attitudes and the sort which change this.

In the sense of religion, once you are aware of God and know about sin, then you have a choice as to whether you will disobey God or not. Although saying that, I know not all sin can be eliminated, unless you are some kind of Saint!!

But I think what happens in your life will greatly influence the type of person you become. I very much doubt that anyone is born pure evil!

 

It's amazing to me that we've been able to get so much discussion out of a topic that is close to the medieval debating issue "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Everybody seems to be willing to accept that there are such things as souls, a God, and perfection, and that in itself is remarkable.

 

God does not create souls he created men and men having free will, choose their own life course. As for the soul, when Adam was created the Bible says he came to be a living soul not that he was given a soul so a soul is basically the life a man has and not something immortal that lives forever, because the Bible also says that the soul that is sinning shall die. The immortal soul is of pagan origin and is not biblical.

 

So much for christianity then.

 

You know what, there are good and bad people, people have the ability to choose whether they do good or bad and this is down to themselves, the people around them and influences they have been subject to throughout their lives. That's probably all.

 

You are right of course.

the point is that if you follow scripture and logic, God should be making all souls perfect to do whatever duties God assigns.

I don't read the Bible literally but this one seems like a given.
To think thatt God says oops when creating new souls sems wrong somehow.

This of course means that we all get to meet in Heaven. no exceptions.
Even those we see as evil.

If you read Job, even Satan seems to be doing exactly what God wants.
He may even be God's best angel. He works harder at doing what God wants even though to us that job is to do evil. Make sense?

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DL

 

There are too many contradictions in the bible! I just want to get through life being nice, having nice people around me, having fun and making a difference in someway. That's all.

 

A good policy. Keep it up.

Thats what I was prety well doing when (saved). None of us are really lost.
Unfortunately, knowing that God exists forces a responsibility on me to let others know.

Regards
DL

 

If he did that he wouldn't be making people he'd be making robots!

 

The fact that we are all locked into our species programming might be just making us very sofisticated robots anyway. It is imposible to go against our natures. We must follow it.

Regards
DL

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but aside from the few instincts that we as humans have, we have freewill and are not robots.

 

Our free will has limits that our instincts govern. It is also limited. I will to fly but cannot.

Another limit is hell. I believe that god creates perfect souls and natures. We all inherit heaven. In this we have no choice. God does not lose any of His perfect souls.

Regards
DL

 

Not being able to fly does not make us robots and neither does having limits on our free will.

And I have to ask when you say: We all inherit heaven. What happens to those who don't want heaven? Will God force them to go anyway?