McCain - "We were attacked because we are 'good'."

Wow, I just heard John McCain say "We were attacked because we are 'good'." What an idiot...

 

source?

 

I don't really have one; I was just watching MSNBC, and it had a clip of John McCain saying that. I don't even know what show it was.

 

they hate us for our freedom.

 

source?

The full paragraph reads as follows:
"We will prevail. We will prevail because the foundations of our greatness cannot be vanquished. Our respect for Man's God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness assures us of victory even as it has made us a target for the unjust enemies of freedom who have mistaken hate and depravity for power. The losses we have suffered are grave, and will never be forgotten. But we should take pride and unyielding resolve from the knowledge that we were attacked because we are good."
September 12, 2001, US Senate floor
http://australianpolitics.com/news/2001/01-09-12h.shtml

I think he'll be our next president, only because people who support liberal causes don't vote (or throw their vote away deliberately), and religious conservatives vote Republican regardless of anything.

 

this is a set-up. over 60% of the people are against the war in Iraq but you can't tell that from anything McCain is saying. he's already stated that "the American people don't care if we're in Iraq for 100 years.....as long as we get the job done." why would you say that knowing that the people don't want it? because they're trying to push us onto the democratic party.

 

A large part of that 60% would be perfectly happy with the extermination of everyone in the entire region. They're not so much for peace as they are against "losing." McCain is their man.

 

60% of the citizens are AGAINST the war SunLion and that stat has been steady for a few months now. the people i talk to know that things are going wrong here and it seems to me they don't know where to turn. i saw a stat recently where either 37 or 40% of the people want us out of Iraq now, win or lose. i just don't see the world the way you do. i think most people act out of a desire to do good in the world. the effects may not be what you or i would want to see and maybe they're just confused. there's a lot of information out there that's not telling the straight story as we know. having faith in other people is part of what is needed in the world.

 

No they don't hate us for our freedom. Read the Goddam 9/11 commission Report.

They hate us because of our history of occupation in the middle east. We fund them and give them weapons... and ten years later, we invade and kill them all.

It is called Blowback, a term coined by the CIA.

The idea that they hate us for our freedom or our wealth is a lie that has been told to the American People thousands of times, and it simply isn't true.

And if you think about it, it is a rediculous concept.

 

i saw a stat recently where either 37 or 40% of the people want us out of Iraq now, win or lose. i just don't see the world the way you do.

If Bush simply pulled out the troops, and carpet-bombed Iraq until there wasn't so much as a fly alive in that country, his approval rating would probably be the highest of any president ever recorded.

President McCain will do just that, I'm quite certain, and that will guarantee his re-election in 2012. Unless an overwhelming majority of people vote a straight Democratic ticket in November, count on continued fascist rule through at least 2016.

i think most people act out of a desire to do good in the world.

Most believe that praying to an imaginary friend takes care of all of that. By magic.

 

The idea that they hate us for our freedom or our wealth is a lie

It's a drastic over-simplification, so drastic that it hurts rather than helps discussion of the issues. But to many fundamentalists, America should be destroyed for things like not executing homosexuals and adulterers, and for giving rights to women. But those who sort of really do "hate us for our freedoms" are just as likely to be domestic Xians (e.g. Fred Phelps et al) as muslims. So it is a pointless "point," but not entirely false either.

 

The Hatred is not based in any logic but is in a primal, emotional sort of envy and schadenfruede. The Hatred does not have to arise out of any specific policy position taken by The United States.


Whatever policy The US were to take up, a measure of The Hatred would still remain.

For the residents of these states, expressing hatred of The US is a safe outlet. They dare not express criticism of their own regime or system. The Hatred is nurtured by their leaders as a safe outlet for pent up frustrations.

Citizen’s attention is fixated upon external enemies to distract them from the mismanagement at home.

In the nature of these cultures to express hatred to a much greater extent that we are used to in our own and it is confusing to us.

It is always shocking to me, witnessing the hatred that they express toward each other within their own societies.



:jester:

 

When running for elective office, telling people "we are good" (and by implication, "You are good"), is much more successful that telling them "We are bad".

 

We were attacked because McCain and the Neo-Con Republicunt clique he belongs to are a bunch of assholes. :jester:

 

So these folks really aren't that bad?

 

i can see in the background a sign with "insult" and what i would assume is the prophet, in reference to Mohammad. putting this together then, these men are upset about what someone has said about their prophet and jneil are you saying that they should just ignore someone insulting their prophet? as far as i can tell these men are standing up for something they hold dearly. i don't see anything bad in that.

 

They should grow spines. My religion gets insulted everyday and gets called devil worship by tv preachers, but you don't see me demending that peoples heads be cut off.

 

McCain Myth Buster: John McCain and the War in Iraq

On the campaign trial John McCain presents himself as a foreign policy expert who understands the war in Iraq better than his opponents, a case he'll likely make today during a speech that will no doubt serve as clean-up for misstatements he made recently about Iraq. But the reality is, McCain has chosen to ignore key issues on the ground and still hasn't offered a plan for Iraq going forward.

In fact, McCain says he trusts General Petraeus but has yet to take a position on key issues Petraeus has raised in recent weeks. As reported in the Washington Post, Petraeus said that "no one" believes "there has been sufficient progress by any means in the area of national reconciliation," but McCain has yet to say if he agrees. Similarly, General Petraeus recommended to President Bush Monday a pause in the drawdown of U.S. forces in Iraq, but McCain has not weighed in publicly on the issue despite having met with the General during his tax-payer funded trip to Iraq last week. Along with his silence on these issues, McCain has proposed no plan going forward in Iraq or outlined what must happen to bring our troops home, simply saying that we could be in Iraq for 100 years. At the same time, he has not said how he'll pay for a never-ending war that is now costing American taxpayers $12 billion a month. [Washington Post, 3/14/08, New York Times, 3/25/08; McCain Derry, NH townhall meeting, 1/3/08; motherjones.com, 1/3/08; AP, 3/10/08]

With McCain, it's all questions and no answers on Iraq. And for a so-called foreign policy expert, it sure doesn't sound like he has a grasp of the issues.

2008: McCain Would Spend 'a Hundred Years' or a 'Million Years' in Iraq. McCain interrupted a voter during a townhall meeting in New Hampshire telling him we could spend "maybe a hundred" years in Iraq and "that would be fine with me." After the townhall meeting, he told a reporter "that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for 'a thousand years' or 'a million years,' as far as he was concerned." [McCain Derry, NH townhall meeting, 1/3/08; motherjones.com , 1/3/08]

After casting himself as a "Maverick" in 2000, the new John McCain is walking in lockstep with President Bush, pandering to the right wing of the Republican Party, and embracing the ideology he once denounced. On the campaign trail McCain has callously abandoned many of his previously held positions, even contradicted himself, in a blatant attempt to remake himself into a candidate Republicans can accept in 2008. So just who is the real John McCain? The Democratic National Committee will present a daily fact aimed at exposing the man behind the myth.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/03/mccain_myth_bus_28.php

 

this arrogant narrow minded "america can do no wrong" attitude espoused by a lot of americans has got to go if were are going to restore our standing in the world. our government gives them plenty of reasons to hate us, whether it is deserved or not. several real reasons why they hate us: we occupy their lands and put our military bases on arab holy lands. we exert our influence on their governments using threats and sanctions which hurt the people also. we invade any country who pisses us off and impose our form of government on people who dont want it.

most people dont know that the reagan and bush administrations armed saddam hussein and osama bin laden. then we are surprised when they find out that they are our pawns in our chess game of world domination and turn on us. we armed saddam to fight the iranians and osama to fight the russians. we knew saddam had wmds because we had the receipt. funny how all of this shit started back when the neocons gained power and started fucking around in the middle east. and people thought these same people who fucked it up in the first place are going to somehow get us out of this mess. the neocons act like they have a monopoly on national security when they are the ones who caused these problems. its comical.

 

there is no losing or winning in an occupation... there is only saving face or embarrassment.