Meat of the future: Without animals!?

If you take a look into the future, it might be possible that meat will not be produced out of animals any more, due to reasons of efficiency, ecology and world hunger, but also very important, animal rights or health. It might be produced directly from cells, using tissue engineering methods. The result is called "cultured meat" or "in vitro meat". Improved vegetarian meat might be another option for the future. See http://www.futurefood.org.

 

Ive got another option...just dont bother with any kind of meat!

But heh, if thats what people go in for its better than whats happening now

 

you really should research GM food before you start hailing the advancements in it..

very very BAD idea for humanity...

 

hey, if there is no death involved, why not?

 

Yeah, just what we need is more GM frankenfoods.

This reminds me of Soylent Green and is incredibly orwellian, yet I would not put it past the eco-nazis to come up with something like this.

 

Specifically, what harm can you cite that has been or likely could be caused by GM crops that have been introduced? Certainly golden rice that has saved the lives of millions and prevented blindness for tens of millions hasn't been too bad a thing, as one example.

People are so often affraid of GM crops because, well, they are GM and that just sounds scary. The "yuck factor" seems to be the only argument against them. So please do tell, what harm have they caused us or are they likely to cause? (no pulling nonsensical hypotheticals out of ones backside--let's stick to reality)

 

Rock on Chris!! Please, pressed Rat, provide us with some proof that these horrible "frankenfoods" are bad?
don't be so afraid of new things, or things you don't understand... you're not old yet!!!

 

As as an aside, if you really think that transferring a gene from one plant to another is so terribly unnatural and freakish then you must be wholly unfamiliar with virology and especially plant genetics (think transposable elements). Mother nature has been making "frankenfoods" for billions of years. We have simply learned enough genetics, cell biology, plant biology and virology to direct the process in ways we consider favorable.

 

Try reading the book Seeds of Deception by Jeffrey M. Smith, then tell me what kinds of long-term studies have been conducted on humans eating GM foods. Animal studies have shown alterations in blood chemistry, and rats fed BT corn are shown to have smaller hearts, livers, etc.. Studies have also shown liver and kidney toxicity in rats fed GMOs.

Familiar with Dr. Arpad Pusztai, the Hungarian-born, world-renowned protien scientist who had his career destroyed after he went public about GM potatoes in the mid-late 90s?

 

Before mindlessly saying "rock on Chris," why don't you try looking at the facts, which you obviously have not done. It seems you are more concerned about hearing what you want to hear, rather than hearing the truth you don't want to hear.

Please, don't be such a zombie all your life.

Monsanto and ConAgra don't want what's best for you.

 

Oh come on. One, Bt corn is only one of many GMOs. Should we throw them all out on principal if a problem can ever be found with any of them? By that logic touching a plant should give me a rash since Poison ivy is a plant and it gives me a rash.

Bt corn does raise some legitimate ecological concerns, but they have nothing to do with a direct affect on human health. In fact, several studies have shown reduced incidence of birth defects and human health issues precisely BECAUSE of incorporating Bt corn into the diet. The incidence of certain molds is reduced on Bt corn and hence the injestion of mycotoxin injestion is reduced.

As for the effects of Bt corn on lab rats: yes, a study found a significant different between Bt and normal corn in the effects on the animals. Many dozens of studies performed since on a wide variety of animals and species (not to mention those performed before) have failed to find negative effects of Bt corn on the health of those animals. In fact a great deal of testing has repeatdely demonstrated a LACK of toxic or allergenic effects of Bt corn on mice and livestock. See here:

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/bi430-fs430/Documents-2004/9A-BT%20CROPS/AreBTCropsSafeEPA-NatBiotech-20030nbt0903-1003.pdf

Not all GMOs are the same. We could certainly create nasty, harmful ones if we wished to, just as we can create unquestionably beneficial ones (e.g., golden rice--10's of millions of people not going blind is a good thing). Once again, please show me something substantiated, not propaganda.

 

I am not just talking about BT corn. That was only one study. I could have mentioned many more. The fact is, none of this has been tested to show the long-term effects of human consumption. GMOs tested on animals have shown abnormalities in blood chemistry, organ size, and immunity. But apparently you are content believing that Naziesque corporations like Monsanto want what's best for you.

And you talk about propaganda, yet you post an article about how the government agency, the EPA, says that GMOs are safe.

Wasn't it the EPA that also said the air was safe to breathe at ground zero in the days following 9/11, despite the fact the air had the alkalinity of drain cleaner?

Who is really the Koolaid drinker here?

So please, stop posting government lies and provide some real facts showing that GMOs are safe as you claim. I will not read anything that's from the EPA (or any paid government shill). The EPA is engaged in mass genocide as far as I am concerned.

 

so just what are you folks going to do when all these GM crops cross pollinate with all the other crops on earth and cause them all to become sterile?

you do know monsantos ultimate goal is to have all plant seeds on the market grow plants that you cannot save seeds and grow another crop?

so then who controls the food chain ?

monsanto isnt buying up every major seed company(parks,burpee,jung,siminis,etc.) as well as patenting every seed they can on the market(over 11,000 to date) for nothing..

it cracks me up how people that are so against "evil corporations" can be sucked into the evilest of them alls propaganda..

perhaps yall should watch the documentary "the future of food". its available on the web,you may actually learn something..

 

Totally against GM foods but whats happening now is HORRENDOUS. Theres no need for meat or any kind of meat substitute, which means people are wanting this simply because they "like the taste" or some other bull...which basically says to me id rather they had the GM shit than more innocent lives to be butchered, which is a lot worse for humanity too

 

well i see plants and animals on the same level. always have.. im one of those people who think that plants are living breathing feeling things..

i have the same respect for the plants i harvest as the animals. i dont buy into the mindset of living things being on different levels,but thats a whole other thread.

that being said i have major problems with anyone playing god and essentially recreating as well as modifying life in a petri dish..

knowing what i do about GM crops i cannot believe that GM meat is any safer,nor can i believe that the reasons for developing it are any less evil.

its quite frightening to me how eager people are to take mainstream media,corporate and government propaganda as fact when there is far more documented evidence available to prove otherwise if one would only choose to look.

 

Well i think the issue is we have to eat something, and a stem of grass will NOT be feeing the terror, sadness, loneliness, pain, anguish etc in the same way, say, a cow does. Im not saying the plants do not feel, but it wont be the same. Also plants are so obviously made for us to be eating, but thats getting into a whole different debate

I do however agree that absolutely all life should be respected and there is most definitely a oneness about all living things on this planet including the planet itself

As for GM foods i strongly believe people should not be messing about with this stuff...we know relatively very little. The fact that people are doing this is proof of this. It would be very wise to leave things the hell alone

When however youve seen some of the things i have you cant help but begin to think, hell, if they want to eat that junk then let them go ahead. Bt i realise this is a massive topic and id be here all day if i wanted to properly get my point across

 

if you didnt want to get in a debate over it then why did you post the pics and respond the way you did??

all i can say is to assume what science says is fact when it comes to what a plant can or cant feel simply because they find no known to them way they could have a thought process that enables them to feel the same emotions as mammals is a bit naive IMO..

i could continue but so as to not get off topic i guess we should leave it at that..

 

My, sorry! I thought a little input and a few ideas to give was better than nothing at all. But i guess not, eh

Sorry the views i have time to give arent worth hearing

And i have actually read up on the science behind plants feelings, its most fascinating. Still, it is not the same as the cow crying tears and screaming, it is not thinking like the cow is

 

never said they were not worth hearing,,it just aint on topic...

 

I dont see why, were talking about engineering meat which will obviously lead to questions about why this should/shouldnt be done. Moral reasons etc, which extends to philosophy about the feelings and differences between plants and animals. I believed scratching the surface was better than nothing at all, but maybe that was a mistake