karma

i am undeserving of the nice things in my life
i have some of the nicest friends in the world
and i have some of the nicest things in the world
i believe in karma, but what exactly have i done to deserve the wonderful things i have?
i just don't know

do you sometimes think that you don't deserve the things you have, or to the opposite effect, do you think you deserve more?

i do not think i will ever fully understand karma

but i am so thankful for the things i have


what do you think?

 

The best things you do in your life, you don't think much about. It seems natural so they aren't as memorable as some of the bad things.


Just what I think anyway

 

whenever something bad happens to me, I attribute it to karma paying me back for something shitty I've done. so whenever bad things happen, I try to be a better person. I think it's been pretty balanced for me, and I don't really question whether or not I deserve the good nor the bad things.

 

I have no idea.

I think it's entirely possible to become bound to a force of energy, whether it be "positive" or "negative" (very constricting words), but I doubt it's some system of checks and balances on a universal scale. most people simplify and complicate it too much.

for instance, if your finger gets jammed in a door it probably isn't because you found a wallet on the ground and took the cash.

 

and why do you think you need to deserve the things you have? ultimately they're just things and have little to do with you, at least in a spiritual sense.

 

she also has friends.

talking about karma, your finger getting jammed in a door because you found a wallet makes no sense. your finger getting jammed in a door because you found a wallet full of money with a driver's license, address and/or phone number, and didn't return it, however, does make sense.

the idea of karma is what goes around, comes around. you do good things, good things happen to you. you act like an evil piece of shit, you get shafted in the butthole. I don't see how it's complicated.

 

either you didn't read my post or it went over you head.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

it's a system of cause-and-effect, but useless absolute terms like good and evil don't enter into it. it isn't a heaven/hell deal.

 

I think karma is just another convenient way for people to accept what is happening in their lives as fact or destiny.

 

it is simple the statistical working of a causality that is never completely or entirely understood, however much anyone may try to pretend to know about it.

being statistical it may appear to slip. but look out for the corrections.
it doesn't mean anyone's gotten away with anything. just that they've had a run of good die rolls. but there is a range and a statistical center or 'mean' about which enought of those die rolls eventually cluster.

does it carry on from one forgotten life to another to another to another?
if there are, as there might be, then of course, there is no reason it might not.

then also, sometimes we are a more positive influence then we realized, and again statistics/kharma SOMEtimes rewards this without our having the slightest idea about it. but because it IS a statistical function, we can't really ever assume a direct linear link. only improve the odds.

so if we see something messed up happening to someone, we can't assume it's because the've ever ment to be harmful themselves, only that maybe they've just gotten a bad die roll this time arround. again its not about guarantees. its about probability.

probability IS real though. and so in THAT sense, kharma, which really is just saying the same thing, very much is too.

=^^=
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of course I don't know what I'm talking about. karma is a highly theoretical concept, and interpretations of how it works are as varied as interpretations of various religions.

maybe your post did go over my head, though. I don't understand the difference between "cause-and-effect" and you = nice -> good things happen to you & you = asshole -> bad things happen to you. I'm sorry if I made it too difficult to understand my point by using the word "evil" rather loosely in there.

you said most people simplify or complicate it too much. I don't think it's complicated at all, unless people make it so.

 

karmas complete bullshit. enough said. lol.

 

:applause:

 

Well, karma is not exactly cause and effect because if you actually get into the breakdown of karma you would find that there is no actual choice to make. The cause/effect is the illusion and karma is the glue which binds you to maya. Karma is more like the blueprint, the code which God programmed the structure of the multiverse, which can only be broken by transcending the mind and body. It's the same with anything of course, you have people who read the Bhagavad Gita everyday of their lives, chanting and singing the praises of Krsna and still worship a little blue man with a flute, and then you have those who read it and find that it answers every philosophical question one could ever ask and these people attune the soul with the Absolute, the formless Form of the macro/microcosm. Some get it by realizing it all means nothing, and some like to believe only what they want to believe simply because it's simple.
For example, one might say that what redyelruc posted, "I think karma is just another convenient way for people to accept what is happening in their lives as fact or destiny" is bad karma and that he will suffer from saying such horrendous things regarding the divine plan lol. While I would say that his karma is the very saying of that statement, not the aftermath, because he has no choice but to say it, hence deja vu, hence clairvoyance, hence Krishna saying I am in the self but the self is not in me etc.
It's all a matter of belief of course, but the word karma is thrown around VERY loosely by people who have never even read one peice of scripture from the saints who described the concept to humanity thousands of years ago. There is no good and bad, this is more illusion according to them, there is only Truth (Sat) and Deceit (maya).
Namaste.

 

well look, I don't really believe in karma in the first place.

 

It seems to me that karma is a human-created concept originating in the desire/need for some unchallengable doling out of justice. People just don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around the concept that we don't get what we deserve, just because the set of rules that a person uses to lead their life says that they deserve it.

People look at the "good" and "bad" things that are done by themselves and others, and notice that some of these "good" and "bad" people have no noticable consequences thereof. Therefore, as suggested by the logic inherent in their need for justice, there must be something which provides these consequences. So enters the afterlife, karma, heaven and hell, and all other such ideas.

 

Relayer knows what he's talking about-- in the traditional sense of the word, it comes from the desire to read meaning into actions which ultimately have no meaning.

 

Finally! haha
Heywood, interesting bit of info to share regarding the insubstantial nature of reality. The hindu cosmology which lists the 7 planes of existance has for number 3 (swarloka) the 'magnetic aura' which surrounds every atom and is the absence of substance, the void, the empty reflection which has the attractive power that binds. Science has now considered dark matter to be that very same (no) thing. Interesting. I wonder, how did they know?
So I dont think karma as easily dismissable as some would like to assume, though that does not give it any substantial essence in truth because in fact karma is the very root of illusion itself (according to the rishi's). The actions have no meaning, exploration in space has no meaning, exploration internally has no meaning, life, itself, has no meaning. Like Krsna said "I am in the self but the self is not in me". Emptyness and Love (God) are not as different as many of us would understand and in fact if you look, you might just find that both of these essence's harmonize in every fabric of time and space. But it is the attachment to any of it which is your karma, and the undoing of this attachment is your dharma.
Namaste.

 

no karma


you get from the world what you put in

 

I'm not very well-read in the ways of scripture, but I believe there is a pretty big difference between the hindu concept of karma and the buddhist concept of karma? be that as it may, I am quite happy not to label my belief "karma" and just believe what I believe, which is that if you're a good person, good things will happen to you, and if you're an evil piece of shit, bad things will happen to you.

 

I dont know about 'deserving', but I do know I live one life and I want to live this life the way that makes me happy. Whatever that may be.