Real reason why LSD is illegal?

Does anyone know the real (unbiased) reasons why the government doesnt want LSD to be legal?? I was reading this site about how it causes "lack of control". Can anyone clarify that for me?

 

basically cause it gets you so far out there that you do lose control. that, and the government doesn't like drugs at all.

 

The main thing to understand is that Average Joe isn't going to be mentally equipped to handle a Level V LSD trip.

 

LSD opens your mind. That is inherrently subversive to the establishment who would prefer close minded, brainwashed zombies, as so many Americans are.

 

that.... and because it can be dangerous (in some senses) if your not careful...
LSD is a Schedule 1 drug in america...
Schedule I -

Examples : LSD, MDMA, Marihuana, DMT, Peyote, Psilocybin, Mescaline, Heroin

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
<li>There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Schedule I drugs may not be prescribed.
-taken from erowid.org

 

yeah, but we all know that marijuana is safe and medically usefull. So why not LSD?

 

Because LSD has no realistic medicinal purposes; it's also highly unsafe for anyone with underlying mental conditions.

 

I think it may have something to do with the fact that it's the closest to pure insanity you'll get. I'm not downing it at all..I love to dose every now and then, but it could definately get out of hand if it were legal.

 

For the people who said it has no medical uses, you are very wrong. The use of Mescaline and LSD in psycotherapy has been proven to dramatically help the healing process for a large number of mental disorders. When used in a guided session it can open your mind to the collective unconscious.

They did some very interesting tests in the early... 60s? 60s or 70s in America, the tests were done for the government. Soon after the tests started they stopped them. Where that research left off, it was picked up again... in some country. I am really sorry I am being so vauge, all the info was found through one source, well the bibliography of one book.

I will try to find the book again. Or you can, it is called the holographic universe, it has an index at the back so you can look up the word LSD and see what books the information came from. The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot.

 

This is kinda along the same lines....I know it's alot to read, but it's pretty interesting...

During the Cold War, amid all hostilities with the USSR, the United States government seemed more intent on causing detrimental damage to it’s own country, rather than resolving conflict with another. In covert operations that would last several years, the Central Intelligence Agency searched for miracle truth serums and interrogation drugs. In their largest project, MK-ULTRA, LSD was surreptitiously administered to thousands of human test subjects for the sake of unconventional warfare research.
Dr. Albert Hofmann was the first to discover lysergic acid diethylamide, in 1938. Derived from ergot, the dried sclerotia of an ergot fungus grown on rye grain, LSD was originally thought to be an analeptic. Showing no proven effect as a circulatory stimulant on lab subjects, Hofmann sat the project aside, assuming failure. Not until the fateful day of April 16, 1953, were the actual side effects of LSD discovered when Hofmann accidentally absorbed some of the potent liquid through his fingertips and went soaring on the first trip ever.
While little was known about LSD before this incident, there were other drug tests going on within government agencies. In September of 1942, Major General William Donovan and the Office of Strategic Services, the wartime precursor to the CIA, began a search for a substance that could force subjects of interrogation to reveal secrets. Project director, Stanley Lovell, tested mescaline, barbiturates, scopolamine, Benzedrine, and cannabis indica (marijuana), finding that the best results were with the cannabis, given it provided a relaxed state of being. THC, the effective chemical in marijuana, was soon referred to as “TD”, short for “Truth Drug”. The OSS actually used “TD” in a few secret operations during 1944, but within the same year, shut down all programs, fearing political backlash if discovered.
Still at this time, LSD had not been tested in America; however, clinical studies were being done back at Sandoz Labs, in Basel, Switzerland, where Hofmann had retired as the director of the Department of Natural Products. In 1947, Dr. Werner Stoll of Sandoz, published the first article about LSD-25, shedding light on the drug that would soon become the center of attention in the CIA.
It took a bit longer than expected for LSD to peak the CIA’s curiosity, but after four years of other random testing, the MK-ULTRA project was officially launched in 1953. The program was designed to perfect mind control drugs, however, also ventured into disinformation, the induction of temporary insanity, and other chemically aided states. Though hypnosis, radiation, and other drugs were tested, LSD played the largest role throughout the entire course of the project. To direct such an operation, the CIA enlisted the expertise of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, an agency lethal poisons expert.
As a first plan of action and in an effort to gain a reliable source in the US, officials approached Eli Lilly & Company Pharmaceuticals about producing LSD. Already studying the drug, Lilly went ahead and made up a batch, contrary to existing international patent accords, and subsequently donated it to the government. This single transaction made the US government and Lilly the first illegal domestic manufacturer and distributors of LSD. In a recent email exchange inquiring of such, Lilly’s expert researchers denied all involvement. Sandoz Labs were also reportedly supplying the government with acid, yet are no longer an operating facility.
With a lack of willing test subjects and the belief that lab testing was not as accurate, the first tests of LSD were actually conducted on CIA officials themselves. The agents working within the MK-ULTRA project began to randomly dose each other, and would monitor the behavior of the chosen one. Soon, all involved had been tested, so they moved on to other CIA personnel. LSD seemed to remove inhibitions, and the idea was if they could get at one’s inner self, that individual could be better manipulated. The agency was aware that the drug distorted reality, but became compelled to learn if it could alter someone’s basic loyalties. Major General William Creasy was quoted in 1959, “I do not contend that driving people crazy even for a few hours is a pleasant prospect. But warfare is never pleasant…would you rather be temporarily deranged by a chemical agent, or burned alive?”
Gottlieb and his colleagues learned quickly from their own “in house” experiments that LSD consumption resulted in a seemingly insane state of being, which could be used to another’s advantage. To test further, Operation Midnight Climax was established, allowing the drug to be gauged in the street. Narcotics officer, George Hunter White, was selected to run the new subproject of MK-ULTRA. The agency employed drug addicted prostitutes, paying them with more drugs, to work in government funded “safe houses”. The girls would go out and bring back an unsuspecting client, of whom would secretly be dosed with LSD. White would sit behind a two-way glass and observe the victim’s behavior.
Another subproject of MK-ULTRA took place at the Lexington Federal Drug Hospital under Dr. Harris Isbell’s direction. “Volunteers”, or bribed prisoners rather, were awarded with the drug of their addiction for participating in the extensive testing of LSD. Seven of Dr. Isbell’s prisoners were kept on LSD for as long as seventy-seven days straight, while having their doses steadily increased. One test subject reported demonic hallucinations for several hours on end, and refused to take anymore.
Tests were being conducted all over the US, and the American population wasn’t even aware. The CIA even funded additional research at labs and universities, such as Boston Psychopathic, Mt. Sinai Hospital, and Columbia University in New York. False organizations were set up to give financial aid to the research going on. The Society for Human Ecology yielded 25 million for the government, along with the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation and the Geschickter Fund for Medical Research.
Unfortunately, there are few reports that list any actual results of the many tests taken throughout MK-ULTRA, and it is hard to say what, if anything, the US accomplished. In 1973, a year after the demise of Project MK-ULTRA, CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all records of the operation destroyed. That same year Dr. Gottlieb retired. Of the secrecy of the CIA’s actions, an inspector general’s report emphasized the need for “precautions…not only to protect operations from exposure to enemy forces but also to conceal these activities from the American public in general. The knowledge that the agency is engaging in unethical and illicit activities would have serious consequences in political and diplomatic circles and would be detrimental to the accomplishment of the agency’s mission.”
In 1977, during an investigation of the Church Committee, approximately 8,000 pages of financial and fiscal information were recovered. No additional insight was really gained from the documents, aside from a few specific names of those involved. A hearing was held that same year, but once again failed to turn up any real conclusions of the project.
Over the span of about twenty years, a total of 150 or more tests were conducted behind closed doors. The government’s top officials violated the sacred trust of the American people in their search for truth serums and interrogation drugs. It is unknown, or classified rather, what may have been gained from the CIA’s attempt to perfect mind control methods. The entire American culture has suffered in one way or another from Project MK-ULTRA; a few died, many were labeled “crazy”, several million fell to the drug culture, and a whole country was deceived. There is no way for the general public to know what really goes on behind the curtains of the agency, but many have their assumptions, and until the day the government dies, neither will suspicion.

 

Skip says its used medically in Holland. LSD is goo for you!

 

lol was that a joke?

 

lsd is beautiful ........ the progressive's drug

 

No! Chow down on that LSD!

/edit/ hahah I forgot my spelling of good, yes the goo was a joke :sunglasse

 

The true importance of LSD and related hallucinogens lies in their capacity to shift the wavelength setting of the receiving "self," and thereby to evoke alterations in reality consciousness. This ability to allow different, new pictures of reality to arise, this truly cosmogonic power, makes the cultish worship of hallucinogenic plants as sacred drugs understandable. ---Hofmann​

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I recommend the site below to everyone. Very interesting site told in the words of Prof. Hofmann himself. He talks about many experiments hes tried with all different types of acid hes made.​

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http://www.flashback.se/archive/my_problem_child/​

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Also, everyone should check out the book Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley. (which The Doors named themselves after) Huxley also had his own philosophy in which hallucinogens could help find a pure, unrefined, and infinite reality.​

 

also if you check out the book 'politics of ecstasy' by none other then Timothy Leary you read about tons of studies that prove that lsd is virtually harmless (a lot of times safer then a couple tylonol), you'll find that it has great theraputic value, and if taken right can induce very powerful life changing religious experiences.

 

i beg to differ that it offers no medicinal purposes. look up what it was used to treat back when it first was introduced and how it got shut down by the government. personally, i feel it helps cure social anxiety in myself moreso than any other pharmaceutical out there.

as for it being illegal, it certainly doesnt surprise me. but its the people not the drugs, if the wrong person takes any or too much acid, theres no telling what could happen. it should be prescribed though.

on a side note,
arent they researching the therapeutic value of mdma these days though?

 

well i don't see much to add after Sugarmamies post except perhaps more details about the EXTENSIVE testing done by the governement, anyway to get back on the subject of "why" without getting into a discussion about social meaning, i think it comes in part from a point of view problem, official research and position (still today) about LSD as always been that it's a "stress inducing psycho mimetic agent", in other term it's higly unpleasent and actually makes you psychotic (there was a project in the 60's to give LSD to doctors and nurses in psychiatric wards to allow them to better understand what the patients went trough).
So that s their opinion , and then came the very colorful fame of LSD wich didn't exactly incite them to change their mind, add to that all the shadowy doings of the cia (whose influence will never be admited or questionned) and you get an outlawed drug .
Most therapeutic research (ranging from psychoterapy to treatment of alcoholism ar drug addiction)done have been questionned and discredited and no serious though have been given to lSDs dangerosity, and that is how the world goes blindly past the holy

 

Tree Phiend somewhat has it down. But here, i'll copy an paste what i said to another individual. He was blaming bush for acid being non-existant.


"Yeah because it's only bush's fault that acid is non-exisitant.


It's the whole government's fault. Bush and Kerry are both members of the Skull and Bones, so whoever you fucking idiot's vote for the Presidency is still in the hands of the globalists.

Trust me, it's not just bush's fault there's no such thing as acid anymore. Acid opens your mind and allows you to think clearly. Ever wonder why coke, crack, heroin, and pot are still flowing the streets? Because all they do is dull your mind and get you addicted. If the government thought they would allow you to think clearly, they'd be off the street in a second. But no instead we invade Vietnam for the Golden Triangle and Columbia because Pablo is "evil" and afghanistan because...well there's terrorists somewhere.

All these places create drugs which make the people stupid and destroy free thought. Welcome to 1984 20 years later."

That's what I said and that's what's true, and it's hard for all people who are addicted to their tv's, and prozac, and other substances such as aspartane and sacharin, it's too hard for all of them to realize the dumming of our country. We're the product now, hell this country used to make all the products in america. We still do, except now our main product is the American Consumer.