conscience vs freedom

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by green faerie, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. seamonster66

    seamonster66 discount dracula

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    same things I do now, victimless crimes

    no violence, no theft, no destruction of property
     
  2. redyelruc

    redyelruc The Yard Man

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    This makes you sound so like Batman. :)
     
  3. Unknown American

    Unknown American Rogue Capitalist

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    Warriors, come out to Play!:)
     
  4. jaren420

    jaren420 Member

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    exactly right



     
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    broony Banned

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  6. Jimmy P

    Jimmy P bastion of awesomeness

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    that would rock. I wouldn't act much differently to other people, but I'd probably carry a gun to protect me from rampant murderous street gangs. so why would it rock? no more worries about visas or other bullshit. I could travel freely, anywhere I wanted, and work wherever I was. oh, and of course, I would smoke up wherever and whenever I felt like it, and I would grow my own herb.
     
  7. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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  8. themnax

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    freedom without conscience is no freedom at all.
    if you rob others of theirs in exercising your own, you contribute to a world in which no one restrains themselves from robbing each other's. in such a world, any pretense of freedom is a myth.

    freedom can only be created and protected by NOT robbing others of theirs.
    which is why disturbing the peace is NOT a "victumless" crime.

    really you only have freedom when there is no one arround infringing on your own,
    nor you infinging on theirs, either as a government OR as an individual.

    raising hell and making a pain in the ass of yourself, is NOT freedom!

    not having to listen to someone else's crap, not having to kiss the ass of little green pieces of paper, not having anyone arround to be beaten over the head by, THAT is freedom.

    being able to make and live in your own shelter of your own design from what you find in the bounty of nature, that is freedom.

    the abscence of soverign territorial boundries, that is freedom.

    closed borders, building codes, even ownership of the land, or at least more then you need for a privacy/quiet buffer zone arround your shelter, having to in order to even make it a little like how you would want to live in, those are the very opposite of real freedoms of any kind.

    as are being economically coerced into indenturing yourself for a house or a car or any other sort of indebtedness.

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  9. i_was_in_shroom_land

    i_was_in_shroom_land Shroomier than you!

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    i'd steal a lot of shit... free shopping bitch!!!
     
  10. Unknown American

    Unknown American Rogue Capitalist

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    I have freedom right now. I live by my own code of ethics.

    Laws made by governments do not really concern me.
     
  11. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    which ain't freedom either, but as long as its a warehous or a big store it's not as insidius as robbing someone of something they actually use.

    i say not as bad because i have no love for the capitol economy which i don't see as having shit to do with any kind of real freedom.

    but i think you are missing the point of how we create the kind of worlds we find ourselves having to live in.

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  12. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    yes, when your not robbing others of their freedoms or causing unneccessary or avoidable suffering, that is having a conscience and being guided by it.

    neither governments nor beliefs have a damd thing to do with any sort of real morality.

    there is a reality factor about laws and governments though. something about the probabilities of remaining at large?

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  13. bigblondeafro87

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    There are no laws, no right or wrong. Do whatever makes you happy, but keep in mind that from birth we are told what makes us happy, so you have to break through the layers of bullshit to find yourself and to find true happiness. If this idea confuses you, read or watch A Clockwork Orange.
     
  14. praxiskepsis

    praxiskepsis ha!

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    If you could make people happy with a puff, you'd keep all the laws, shalls and shall nots.

    Nothing more civil than a happy man.
     
  15. bird_migration

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    I would catch girls with a lasso - cowboy style. Then I would have them rob banks and give all the money to me. They can have 5% of the loot, since I am a pretty decent guy.
     
  16. praxiskepsis

    praxiskepsis ha!

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    In a certain sense, suffering, accident, and error are the cream of the universe.
     
  17. praxiskepsis

    praxiskepsis ha!

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    Pillage and rape. Pillage and rape. That's all there is. :)
     
  18. bird_migration

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    Yes, that is the subconscience mind. Good thing we have laws.
    Or isn't it?
     
  19. praxiskepsis

    praxiskepsis ha!

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    Good thing we have laws? For what and for whom?
     
  20. bird_migration

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    My 'or isn't it' answered that already.
     
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