Satan judges God more evil than himself for using a genocidal flood. Is he right?

He made the fruit and the curse, and the weak willed humans, and the tricky serpent.
He could have made the humans of stronger will or not cursed the fruit - and then Adam and Eve would still be happy in the garden and man would not be faced with the burdens of reproduction and awareness.

Either way, Genesis is not a tale I would reference in such a situation.

I think Noah and Job are the most appropriate tales to debate God's morality.

 

SAINT SATAN... No difference .. Satan is a mortal image.. Only mortals believe in SATAN.... Silly Human Tricks Are For Kids... grow up...

 

I was pretty sure I already said something to this effect (maybe in another thread), but how do you know it was God that did those things? I personally believe the Bible is 95% crap. What isn't up to personal interpretation could be screwed with by the prophets, who may have thought they were interpreting things right, may have just put down something that sounded right and reflected common beliefs at the time, or they just put down something that they thought should be in there and called it God's word. That doesn't mean EVERYTHING in the Bible is wrong. This is where making up your own mind comes in. Yes, some of us Christian people DO know how to do that... Shocking, isn't it?
I'll give you an example of how something could be skewed by the prophets' personal opinions: A religious historian/reverend who taught ethics at my college last year told us about this during our unit on the ethics of gay marriage. The Bible's view on homosexuality is that it is wrong. Now, if the time and place it was written is taken into account, it is discovered that a pagan religion that was practiced at this time included a ritual at the end of winter to "wake up the earth." This consisted of two people going up on top of a mountain and having sex- the act that brings about life. Sometimes, the two people were two men. The Christian priests thought this was hilarious, since two men having sex couldn't possibly produce life and so they labeled it "strange" and "unnatural." Also, the fact that it was included in a pagan religion meant it was not of our God, meaning in their eyes that it was "evil."
Today, we with our open minds know that this is a load of shit. However, because the prophet wrote it down, it's still accepted as Christian belief and is one of many things anti-Christians use to jab us with, when all it was based on was a couple of old men saying, "gosh, that's strange... I don't like the look of it, so let's tell people not to do that..."
There are more occasions of this, such as when the Bible tells the Hebrews not to eat the shellfish. DUH, don't eat the shellfish! It's 150 freakin' degrees in the desert! You know how fast shellfish goes off?? And with toxins like red tide floating around, there would be no way to tell if it was safe to eat without dying!
This is why I focus more on what the Bible tells us TO DO, not what it tells us NOT TO DO, once again, only if it makes sense and with the context of the time it was written taken into account.

The Bible has an actual NUMBER of people that are going to heaven? And you believed it? Ha! That number would have sounded huge to some dumbass priest sitting in a dark room all by himself writing out his latest vision... It's stupid statements like that that I think are just ludicrous. Use your own judgement and don't believe everything you read.
In response to your other comment, I hate it when I hear someone telling a person of another faith that they are going to hell. It's a crock of shit. That spread the word bullshit was all fine and well when no one knew what Christianity was, but now it's really unecessary. If you're going to find God, you can do it on your own. You don't need someone feeding it to you, because it's already everywhere. I don't claim to know God's system, but it doesn't make sense that he would create us and then send good people to hell just because they were led to believe Christianity is wrong. These are confusing times and we have a pretty shitty manual to consult.

As far as I was taught, God created hell FOR Satan who takes the ones who are refused entry into heaven. Satan is repsonsible for the eternal suffering of those in hell, not God. What a swell guy he is, right? He may not have "killed" anyone, but he sure is responsible for a lot of suffering...

Um, where did that assumption come from?

I agree, and I wish it weren't so.

Yeaaahhhh, I don't. Don't be so quick to lump us all into one category. I would vote for a Druid if he had a better plan for healthcare.

Say WHAT? I did NOT vote for Bush, sir, and neither did most people I know, some of which are *gasp* Christians! Would you PLEASE stop generalizing?

You're not getting it! There are plenty of Christians who are perfectly fine with things that the church and the Bible would call evil, such as premarital sex (personally, I engage in premarital sex quite frequently- ON THE SABBATH! SHOCK! HORROR!), working on the sabbath, homosexuality, charging interest, etc etc etc. If you're talking about those backwoods revivals, you're going to have to say so, because I don't know anyone who acts the way you say except for this schizophrenic chick who lives across the hall from one of my friends.

The church, for the most part, is a bunch of douchebags. Organized religion is poison. Making up your own mind is where it's at. I'm a Christian and I haven't been to church since sometime last summer. I still go, because my little Baptist church isn't that bad, and is pretty open-minded actually, but I don't feel I HAVE to. I also don't always agree with my pastor. Doesn't mean everything he says is wrong. It's when people are spoon-fed things that are toxic, such as "condemn the infidels" that it gets messy.

Lust is one of the seven deadly sins. The seven deadly sins are NOT in the Bible. They were made up by a Cardinal, particularly the sin lust, which he paid special attention to because he was a raging nymphomaniac who fucked everything that moved. Because he struggled with this so much, he decided that all sex was bad unless it was to make babies.
Modern psychology will tell you that sex is ESSENTIAL to a healthy adult relationship. Modern psychology would have also labeled that Cardinal a sexual deviant and thus unsuitable to write about such things.
Once again, context.

Once again, the Bible tells us to spread the word because, at the time Christianity began, no one knew about it. I also believe that Christianity was supposed to be spread because it was intended to make the world a better place, but people have twisted it, corrupted it, and used it so wrongly that the main message has been lost: Give props to the Creator, love your fellow man, don't screw each other over, and for God's sake, MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS! If we all worried about ourselves rather than worrying about fixing everyone else, then we would not have as many problems as we do. I think you'll find you can apply that to a lot of things going on today.

Whoo! I'ma gettin' my workout today!

 

Truer words were never spoken

 

I think the number is 144,000. That's why you often get that number when you ask how many people belong to the Rainbow family.

 

where does it say that?

this is why i think the bible is full of shit btw.

 

It is in Rev. Some people think it is an idealized number like 12, or 40.

 

:O ... takes deep breath Iiiiiiii eeeeeeeeee oooooooooo.

I'm gonna sleep on this one.

This thread is runnin deep.

 

SATAN is that you....

 

II Peter 1:20, 21 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For Prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit"

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness

 

Not all scripture.

Deut21-18



If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

regards
DL

 

Your point being?

 

God was on crack when He gave this advice.

Regards
DL

 

And you say this because?

 

Why does it mean that the Bible is not open to interpretation just because a MAN wrote down that it isn't? That's an opinion that was touted as fact by this one person. It means nothing. Until a book falls out of the sky at my feet and God's voice says "here- now there can be no mistake," I will continue to believe that the Bible is open to interpretation and debate.
I think the 10 commandments may be the closest we'll ever come to that, but even then, we can't be sure...

 

I understand your dismay..lets try another scripture and illistration

2Peter 1:21
For prophecy was at no time brought by mans will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.

To illistrate, A businessman might have a secretary write a letter. That letter contains the businessman's thoughts and instructions. It is really his letter, not the secretarys. In a similar way, the bible contains God's message, not that of the men who wrote it down.

Have a Great Day

 

er.

If someone doesn't have a lot of trust in the bible, your not going to convince them by quoting the bible.

 

you can't convince anyone of anything

 

It Has Been said,

Careful of quoting scripture here as it is frowned upon in this forum. You can do it freely in the Sanctuary however.

While you are correct about divinely inspired men writing the bible, you have failed to see the the damage done from attempting to do so. God is not something that can be written down. Its something that has to be experienced by an individual. Any attempt to the contrary will be extremely dilute in the message.

It is this watered down message that almost a billion people accept as the literal truth. It isn't.

The word of God can only be spoken. And it can only be spoken by a living person who has made that personal transfiguration. When you become God aware, that which is written down becomes lifeless.

So I'll ask you the same question Jesus asked...

"Why do you seek the living among the dead?"




x

 

Does it sound like sound advise to you?
Sounds like crap to me.

Regards
DL