Satan judges God more evil than himself for using a genocidal flood. Is he right?

If your fuckin basement flooded because you lived in flood zone, and you're too dumb to seek higher ground, why didn't your fuckin God make you smarter?

 

Similarly, using your stupid Christian logic, the Holocaust was only indirectly caused by free will.

If God created free will, which caused the Holocaust, there is no difference to saying God caused the Holocaust, which was indirectly caused by free will.

Therefore, whether God causes it directly or indirectly, God is the cause of evil.
If God is the cause of evil, then there is no difference between God and Satan.

 

So the sacrifice on the cross means nothing. Do I have that right? Because if I do, there's not much point in me continuing this particular vein of the discussion. I believe exactly the opposite and I'm not changing my mind.
Not that I don't respect your right to believe that. To each his own. I'm sure you came to that conclusion the same way I came to a lot of mine.

To apply such a silly little human concept to God feels wrong to me... He can do whatever the hell He wants with my life. I don't think I'll be doing much complaining when I get to heaven, though I'll probably kick and scream like a wildcat on the way there. We can't comprehend it from our stance because we are driven by our animal instincts- the most basic of which is the drive to survive. You can only trust them in matters of LIFE on EARTH.

God may have made hell, but Satan is running it now. Are you suggesting he's just a resident? Just another wronged soul wandering around with the rest of the damned? A victim just as much as the others? Give me a break...

 

Since God is God, then God is everything,
Since God is everything, God must also be Satan.

Otherwise, God is no God.

How do you know?
Do you have a direct line to God?
To Satan?
Or both.

And what Christian reasoning have you presented other than what OldChristianWater Fuckers pull out of their stupid ass as they open their Bible.

 

That's a disturbing way to look at it...
So if I'm a parent, and I teach my children "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and one of my kids just happens to like getting hit over the head with a shovel, it's my fault that my child hit someone else over the head with a shovel?
Let's be reasonable, here. God isn't going to come down here and correct us every time we do something wrong. How else will we learn? Certainly not by him squirting us with a spray bottle every time we pee on the carpet. No, we have to smell that piss to realize it's wrong- that it's bad for us as well as others. Tough love, maybe, but it could be worse.

 

It depends on wheither or not you believe that God controls Satan.
If He does then Satan may be God's favorite or at least hardest working angel.

If Satan is beyond God's control then He must be more powerful than God. As I indicated, Job seems to give God full control of Satan as well as all things.

God would not relinquish control of any part of His universe. He is a jealous God. He has all power.

Regards
DL

 

You write something intelligent like the above and yet you would have Jesus absorb all that smell before it got to you. Is this a slight contradiction?

Regards
DL

 

Don't be a dick. Just because we don't have an answer for absolutely everything doesn't mean we're wrong. How could we know? The Bible certainly can't be trusted for every last detail, at least not in my mind. There's a lot of things we don't know, though some are loathe to admit it, because people like you will pounce on us and say "aha!" like you've proved our whole belief system to be a farce just because we humans, who have lived on earth our entire lives and (most of us at least) have never had a direct Q&A with God, can't answer all of your questions. Have a little respect. The people on this board din't cause the war, the crusades, the holocaust, or anything else you'd like to blame on Christianity. If you want to believe God's responsible, you do that and live in your hateful little world. But don't sit there and accost all of us because we didn't ace your little test.

 

Saving us from hell because he feels we're worth saving is absorbing the smell?
No, I don't think so. He's not here right now, is he? Is he fighting in Iraq? Is he in our country working with the politicians to improve our war on poverty while people are starving and dying on the streets of NYC? Is he in Darfur keeping those little kids from killing themselves on the front lines? No. That's all us. We were given very basic guidlines to follow: love God, love each other, treat each other right. We're violating those guidelines every day, because we're assholes, but we have the potential to learn, to become better than we are. That makes us worthwhile. That's why we're not going to hell.
Have I explained my view well enough? I really don't see a contradiction, but please let me know if there is still one there.

 

If he is, then Satan working against God is the greatst conspiracy theory ever devised. They sure fooled me.
If he isn't, or never was, and he and the other angels were given free will just like we were, then he's just like us, but with more power. It's how he uses it and his intentions that make the difference between him and an antihero.

 

stev90,
You are just repeating what you already said, only in bigger blue letters and more profanity. I don’t know if this kind of nonsense works for you in the real world when you are face to face with someone but in the world of reason and logic it just means that you are trying to cover up a weak argument.

It’s very simple to cut and paste, change the font and size and then remove the profanity. Then, Voilà! , anyone can see, you are just re-asking the same questions that have already been answered and doing so without any additional reasoning on the matter, except for coming up with new profanity.

So until you come up with better reasoning, your comment; I suggest you Christian motherfuckers stick your Bible up your stupid ass, and lick it. still applies more to you than Christians.

 

Nicely said.

 

Satan does not work against God, he works for Him. God has the power.

In the story of Moses and the Egyptians, who hardened Pharoes heart and caused the death of all those children? Satan or God?

Regards
DL

 

If God controls the level of good, then He also controls the level of evil. read Job to see who controls what.

God does not share control with anyone.
He is the only master.

Regards
DL

 

Yeah, I think you've identified his modus operadi. On another thread, his last words were:

 

Actually, I think scientists have hypothesized that it was noxious gas from the earth that killed all of the first born sons. They slept on special beds because they were precious to the family, but those beds were lower to the ground than the others, so the heavy gas, staying close to the ground, was only breathed by those children and subsequently all of those children died. It's just one of the biblical "plagues" which can be explained by natural events, all of which stemmed from a volcanic eruption elsewhere. If I could find a link, I would show you the evidence, but it's been too long since I heard about it... It's just something that has always stayed with me.
I interpret the Bible. I don't take everything it says to be fact for reasons I have stated before.

 

If God controls the level of good, then He also controls the level of evil.
Thanx for at least rewording your question because it gives it a interesting new flavor, which is all I ask, I get a little tired of answering the exact same questions over and over again.
Anyway here goes, although God does set a standard of what is good and right, he does not set a limit or level, as you say on how much good there can be. As for evil, God does set a limit on how evil things can get but leaves it up to mankind and Satan as to whether they want to take it that far.

Read Job to see who controls what.
As for your admonition to read Job, I have read Job many times and in fact reread it the last time you said this and will probably read it again many times in the future. The problems lies in the fact that it does not say what you want it to say.

God does not share control with anyone.
Please, do not set limits on what God can or can not do. God can share control with any one he so chooses.

He is the only master.
The word master has taken on a bad connotation, generally implying harsh cruelty, where as, Christians will sometimes call themselves slaves of God, this would not imply any harshness or cruelty on his part toward them.
Thus, While I would say that he is the only True God, I would seldom use the word master because of the bad connotation that word has taken on.

 

Yes, He has enough bad connoctation with his genocidal flood. He would not want us to think Him evil or master. Laugh out loud.

Regards
DL

 

Well, I guess it was too much to ask for that you would stop beating this dead horse. Seeing as I have already answered this several times for you and you have either not read them or find them too convincing to respond to, I will not bother to try to answer once again. If you really want the answer just reread the answers already given.