Satan, the great deceiver, has succeeded in making most believe that God’s perfect sy

Satan, the great deceiver, has succeeded in making most believe that God’s perfect systems are imperfect.

I believe that God is perfect and that from perfection flows only perfection.

Imperfection comes from imperfection, not perfection.

This seems logical but let me add--

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

All we see are God’s perfect works, including all souls.

If most believe that the world needs fixing and is not perfect, would you say that Satan has clouded our minds to the reality that God’s perfect system are still here and just hidden by Satan.

To make us think that there was something wrong when there is nothing wrong would be the greatest deception of all.

I know that God exists and that He is perfect. I see all around me as perfect even with the evil that is within this perfect system.

This perfection, like God evolves to a more perfect state over time. It never stops getting more perfect.

To those who do not believe that God’s perfect system evolve I would just point out that in the beginning the earth was not here. The perfection of the initial state did not diminish when God added to it. This should prove that His systems can evolve to a greater state of perfection.

The issue for debate is this.

Did God back slide and lose the initial perfection of all His works, or is His systems as fouled up and imperfect as most think?

Or.

Is it more likely that Satan has clouded our eyes to the reality that perfection has remained all around us and that we were all created perfect by a God who continues in perfection and has no need to ever return to fix what is not broken. No end time required.

Regards

DL

 

God is not perfect. God is not imperfect.

The very distinction of either is a human thing.

God is everything. Without exception.


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God is everything except perfect from what you just wrote. Good logic fool.

Regards
DL

 

lol.

when YOU call xenon a fool, of all people, that's when it crosses into the realm of absurd.

 

Then allow me to explain further.

Only in humans, does the concept of good or bad exist. Same applies towards the concept of perfect or imperfect.

I don't blame you for doing what the mind (Satan) does automatically, which is weigh one thing against another. Until you can learn to exist outside of the mind, in your natural spiritual state, your world will be forever cursed with a dual nature.

You've cut God in half and now have the audacity to proclaim one piece better than the other.


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That makes sense, because if God is infinite, then any finite concepts of God would be false. All concepts are finite by definition b/c man's mind is finite. The mind cannot conceive the infinite. I have said this before, the mind is like a computer program that runs on 0's and 1's- the infinite would be any other number than 0 or 1. The program would not be able to compute anything besides 0 and 1.

Any description of the infinite would be false, despite the fact that the infinite would exist- it would be utterly impossible to intellectually understand the infinite w/ the finite mind. Perfection and non-perfection are nothing more than dualistic concepts- describing an infinite force as perfect would be meaningless.

Peace and love

 

well said.

where ya been hippy? we have missed your smackdowns.

 

Busy w/ school, work, and self realization. I can finally relax during the weekends and just chill...

Peace and love

 

If God is everything, then, God is also that piece of shit in your ass.

Do you fucking stupid Christians worship your own turd, call it God, then eat it too?

:leaving:

Haha! Eat and worship your own shit, Christian assholes!

:jester:

 

well, "stev90" certainly seems to be enjoying his stay here.

I dont think the mods would be too pleased with you though.

 

I hear that loud and clear.
Im so tied up in things sometimes i forget to eat lol. and sleep has become a luxury. Hopefully i'll get somewhere one day though.

 

Holay shit. I think you just explained in laymans term what the whole story in the garden of Eden was trying to explain. :O

 

I certainly woudnt eat it. But worship it... Hmmmm I used to when i was in potty training I suppose I could start again

 

And all this time I thought that it was God who created the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

As to living outside the mind, I leave that to you. You seem good at that.

Regards
DL

 

Who created God? At least the fatherly concept of God?

Ol' Scatch himself. Your own mind.

It does so because it can't see the truth of what God actually is. It has no ability to venture into the higher realms where the truth is plain. It's stuck "down" in hell, in the low end of creation.

The mind, Satan, rules in hell. The physical world.

Jesus battled Satan in the desert in Israel, but the desert is also symbolic of the mind, because it is devoid of spirit.

Heaven, is "up there", in the higher realms where Satan cannot go.

So you can understand how religion has butchered the truth with superstition and symbolism. Religious people have embraced the symbolism without the truth behind the symbolism being explained to them.

For me, there is no deity. No being separate from myself. Just an endless sea of consciousness manifesting in endless forms, one of which happens to be me.

Like a wave on the ocean, I enjoy a brief existance as an individual, but the attachment to the ocean is never broken.

It is from that existance that I speak to you.



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There is no low end or high end of creation. It is all one.

If you believe that you have a conciousness then you must acknowledge that we all have it as well. They are all different here but in the non physical realm they are maintained and also find a place or demographic positon there based on what they know. They/we continue to learn there. It is just much faster.
The pleasure and pain of learning at that level is much more apparent.

Perhaps there we will perceive each others view with more clarity.

Regards
DL

 

if you believe that God is perfect and that he could only create perfect things than satan too is perfect because God created satan and thus anything that satan has done to "cloud our minds" is also perfectly as it should be.

 

Exactly.

God's ultimate challenge for our minds.
Seek and you shall find.

Regards
DL

 

Yes it is all one, but the mind splits things in halves and dwells within the half it likes. The ego protects this decision at all costs. Thats why the notion that we ARE God is so foreign to the average Christian. It goes against everything they've been taught.

Totality can only be realized when the mind is controlled. "Belief" has to be suspended. And often, that is religious belief. The ego will whisper in your ear that you're going to hell if you give up what you've been taught as truth. It's more silent about mentioning that you're already here, and that it's the one responsible for it.

Do you want to be the wave or do you want to be the ocean?

The only true answer is to be both. If you think that God is an entity outside of yourself, this is not obtainable because they are one and the same.

Only the form differs, not the substance.

Thats why I say God is the clay that creation is made out of. We get so facinated by the forms, we no longer pay attention to the substance from which it is made.



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WooooooooooW. That was a mouthful dood. I'm gonna re-read it a few times.