if sexuality were purely a choice...

I couldn't ever see myself being attracted to other men -- not physically or sexually.

 

Yeah, the impulses are important... which is why one can't just go and get his balls cut off and forget about them, they are a part of what makes us human.

Yet it would be cool to be born independent of those impulses, or at least unaffected by them... if sexuality was indeed a choice.

Choosing to not be sexual without being negatively affected by it would be a fascinating life. It leaves room to so much personal growth.

 

nor could i, but i have no problem with it and if given the choice i simply think it would be more convenient to be attracted to both genders

 

We suffer from impulses. And suffering is, again, important.

But emotion is not necessarily compulsion. In a way we are independent. We have choice.

 

I don't think that we necessarily suffer from impulses. I can just as easily argue that we recieve great pleasure from them.

But I do agree that suffering is necessarily, I just don't think that sexual suffering is the kind of suffering that truly leads to much spiritual growth.

 

When it comes to sex, as with most everything, it's not what you do, but how you do it.

Additionally, the pleasure you're talking about, I imagine to be immediate-gratification.

While we all sample from immediate-gratification in different sectors of our lives, we also tend to establish habits around them (addiction): THAT's when we suffer. We want more.

 

well said, sir. it would be great to just turn sexuality off for a year or so and work on yourself.

however, our flaws are what makes us human. as to the topic at hand, I would not change a thing. I can imagine it being quite convenient if you could pick from every shelf, but I really like women.

 

Well, sure... sex is easily an addiction... not alot of people seem to aknowledge this.

But what you're saying makes sense, the addiction to sex does cause suffering...

Yet, as a "natural addiction", per se... you can claim that it's just as much of an addiction as the addiction to love, to happiness, to life, and so on.

I don't know where I'm going with this. Yet I'm gonna stick to my previous statement... the suffering that comes out of sexual addiction doesn't lead anywhere, just like the suffering that comes out of a drug addiction... it can all be fixed with this "immediate-gratification", which does not leave much room for growth.

 

Is there a difference?

 

Addiction does not lead to personal growth. It's true. But battling addiction does.

 

I agree if I could get rid of my sexual urges completely, I would be doing some insanely wicked shit. It would be nice...Eh what am I saying that would suck ass.

 

battling sexuality can lead to some nasty psychological problems. Not reccomended.

 

We don't disagree.

I said something different. Addiction is not sexuality.

 

Battling a sexual addiction is kinda pointless, as I said... people are naturally addicted to sex. Ever tried to go a long time without masturbating after masturbating constantly for a long time? No fun, no good.

You don't learn much from going against your natural impulses... you do learn a lot from being able to control them though.

I guess it depends on what you see as a "sex addiction"... I think we all are addicted to sex physically, without being able to help it... it's imprinted in us.

Some people are extreme sex addicts, but those are indeed extremes.

 

An addiction disrupts different aspects of your life, rather than enhance it.

When your productive life, your relationshis are disrupted because of a habit, you're an addict, no?

There is nothing 'natural' about addiction, and I'm not sure what 'natural' means anyway.

 

I tend to be able to tell the difference between masturbating when it's time, and when I'm using masturbation to escape.


Doesn't mean I'll always fight the urge to escape though...lol.

 

I'm just saying that sex is a natural biological addiction.

I do not see how you can argue that.

Unless you do not classify it as an addiction at all... which would make it a mere impulse with addictive tendencies.

Now I'm going in circles.

 

Right. That's how I'd see it. Don't know if it's the same for you.

 

If sexuality was a choice - I'd probably keep changing my mind.

 

Sure, I could easily see it like that.

It doesn't change the fact that it has addictive tendencies, and could be an addictive impulse... which is just the same thing that I mean by a "natural addiction".