Probably never going to trip agian

Well, I decided to trip with a good friend of mine with the potent blotter that I had gotten (8 hits). Approximatly 250 mcg per tab. I was gone after about 1 hour of ingesting the tabs and for my friend he was too far down into his mind that he had little to no connection to reality at all. He had forgotton who he was, he was touching my face to see if I still existed and he was stuck in loops for some hours. The only thing I could do was wait for the lsd to subdue. I'm not sure what triggered a bad trip for him I had a perfect enviorment set up. He also helped me set up the enviorment to make it best for him. Chill music, candles, nice lighting and some cool things to do set up for the trip. After around two hours he was telling me that he was repeating the same situation over and over agian. Pretty much having an awful trip. So I began to try and talk him down from this. (reassuring him that everything would be fine within hours considering he did a drug and the best and only thing to do was just to ride the trip). It was so bad to the point that he wouldn't even talk to me since for some reason he did not trust me. He was yelling in my face to stop acting normal and throwing items in his pocket around. He began to get violent and I knew there was not much I could do. I told him numerous to just relax and let the cid take its course. But, he fought the effects and which led to 12 hours of me trying to hold together a great friend of mines mind. Despite having a entirely awful trip with intense thoughts of my friend losing his mental stability, I had to work with him to get through this bad period. This was not my first time and neither for him. I tripped for around 16 hours before the drug had left my system. I am not sure whether I'm going to do lsd ever agian considering I saw someone extremely close to me going through such a hard expierance. I would never like to have that happen to anyone becasue no ones mind should be taken to such horrible places. I know lsd can make amazing things and cause amazing thoughts. But, the risk of having another one of these trips is not worth it to me.

 

Though I've never had a bad trip with a friend, I still choose not to trip with other people. I just find being alone and tripping alot better, especially outside on a spring day.

 

Me too man. I've tripped alone and had some excellent times. Going on my roof and stargazing and such. But, watching my friend lose it made me realize I just have to focus on my school work and get a ridiculously good education and try and further my life and get the best job possibly and get as far as I can with my mind.

 

why do you think looping is something bad...
Honestly I think the mind is just a constant loop and all "looping" is, is it just finally getting to see the truth of the matter and thats why people freak out. Cause you get to see you are inevitably and forever stuck in this cycle and you actually are repeating the same thing over and over again. I think one of the highest points in meditation requires you to essentially be sitting above this loop... and just see it as a circle with you in the center, and that it is a cycle forever. The notion of trying to 'talk someone down' from being in a loop just seems absurd to me... thats not trying to talk someone down, thats trying to convince someone the truth is not true... I would think it much more beneficial to just show someone how to sit calmly in the center of the loop.

And you do know your 'intense thoughts of my friend losing his mental stability' were part of what was creating the vibe of mental instability? Personally if I were in such a situation I would sit there as calmly centered and clear headed as possible... and quite literally try to 'telepathically' pet and calm him with my energy. I have done this for people before when they were tripping and they did tell me afterwards that me in particular being there helped, even though they didnt really know what exactly I was doing. And I honestly do think thats all you can do... I mean the current vibe of a room barely has anything to do with the words and metaphors being thrown around, it's just intangible energy and feeling. To change the vibe, sit down and focus on changing the energy within your body and surrounding you psychically, without words or metaphor.

 

As i said in similar post you have to go onto physical, find him something to do and forget about himself for some time and how fucked up he is. At the same time do what rygoody said to you.
But why you don't want to trip anymore? How you can understand the darkness if you don't experience it? And if you trust yourself, know who you are and believe, you can easily get out of it.

 

you might come around again one day after a bit of long break.

but i remember seeing one of my friends get awfully scared while we were on 3 strong hits, and it sucked.

its the scary shit that causes the most psychological damage. im not overly worried about getting overwhlemed, as long as i dont see demons and dead bodies and monsters.

did you try and change his location? that allways does wonders.

 

there is something wrong with your friend not the lsd!!!

 

Yeah, I did change the location and I did sit there calmly and try hard to calm him down. He just was getting aggressive and there wasn't much I could do. I mean for me tripping and having a great friend getting extremely violent I was scared. With him being so completely out of it he was unable to articulate what he was feeling. He was lost in his head. I am wondering if mabye he is an angry person at heart and mabye the lsd let out his anger and created a bad trip. After around 3 hours of him just freaking out I showed him that the only way for it to end was for it to leave his system and let the trip end. I let him watch tv and I also took him for a short walk around the neighborhood which seemed to calm him down. I talked to him today and it's sad because he will never be the same agian. Something flipped in his brain and he was in the darkest place imagineable. I will probably do lsd again sometime in the future, just I will need a long break to recooperate from this bad expierance. But, I think from bad expierances you do learn and with the great expierances i've had with lsd before this must come a bad one. Lsd is like actaul life good and bad will happen in a trip just like no ones life is going to be perfect the entire time, bad things can always happen.

 

i had a bat trip only once, i was alone with a friend. it was dark, around 9pm... it was horrible, i felt like loosing my mind...
i remember saying to my friend: "i'm loosing it now, dont miss me, good bye." at wich he said something like shut up man calm down, and both of us laugh a lot. but i was still serious about loosing my mind.. i said something like "don't try electro shock, it wont work, i will be lucid, but im not gonna pay attention to this world" and stuff like that.. i was so scared!!

finally, when the trip was over (i blame the setting and that i was the only one tripping) i rejoiced in that amazing experience.
i took the bad trip and make it a incredible post-effect experience. do i make myself clear?
well, what im trynig to say is, tell your friend that WAS an acid experiencie and it was worth it!

byebey

 

to the poster, was it his first time? nah i dont think it was if i remember. an experienced tripper can control themselves on a hi dose difficult trip. however, there is the point when the tripper no longer has control, and becomes psychotic. and is being controlled while sort of watching out from within. so when that happens theres not much you can do. i think he will recover from it eventually.

 

yeah. you know all my trips have been amazing. altho i have seen some scary shit on some of them if not most of them. but overall they were all just amazing.
i think the more experienced you get with acid, you realise its not all wonderous colours but you take it as it comes, and there are shityer trips and then there are amazing trips. but the thing to remember most is to not let any of the shittyer trips faze you to much.

lsd has taken me to heaven. but also to hell. my friend had the terrible trip a few months ago i was with him trippin. and he was having a terribly frightfull trip, and when the peak died down i asked him if he'd ever do acid again, and as frightfull as a trip he had, he said Yeah! ofcourse! with absolutly no doubt. thats the enthusiam i love about my friends. you cant let a bad trip faze you.

 

you should have taken him on a long walk, away from the neighborhood, first thing. In my experience taking someone who is having a bad trip inside outside helps alot, physical motion also keeps one connected with reality. Some people just can't handle it.

 

Lsd will take your fears and problems up to your face. It will magnify every emotion you hold in you for a 1000 times at least. It might give you some completly different picture than what you know as your problem but deeply down "in your guts" you know exactly what it is.

 

A friend of a friend tried to jump off a cliff and kill himself on 1 hit. My buddy (who was on 2 hits) grabbed him by the ankle right before he went over. We held him down for 6 hours until he calmed enough to walk him back the narrow ledge we took to get there. I was on four hits, it was one of the worst days of my life no doubt.

I didn't stop eating acid at that point. But ever since, anytime someone is having a bad trip, I head the opposite direction. I can't be around it.

 

same here man... I have witnessed a friend of mine go into seizures on two seperate occations while both of us were tripping harder than we needed to be at the time. It really sucks watching some crazy fucked up events unfolding while sober, yet alone tripping. Both times my friend stopped breathing and both times he had to get taken away in an ambulence. It is the worst buzz kill talking to medics and cops while your friend is on the ground "dying". It is a shame that he didn't learn his lesson after the first time it happened. That is why I prefer to trip on my own and avoid all the crazy-crazyness. I know this was a huge tangent but bad trips are contagious and is a good idea to head in the opposite dirrection of one.

 

I know what you guys are talking about and I agree up to some point with you. I had recently a person torturing me because he could not settle down and enjoy the ride. But if we dosed together we stay together no matter what. That is the golden rule. It is not all about you and are you enjoying. It is a good exercise if you are ready to give yourself to anybody and help no matter what. At those moments you don't think what you are feeling and how are you doing, you are trying to feel what that person feels and how you can turn his nightmare in to the fairy tale, and that unselfish deed actually never fails. Once, one person asked me what if you see the Devil in front of your eyes, what would you do? I told him in a childish voice: "Hi, I am Shapeshifeter, you are soo cute. Do you want to play with me?". And we all started laughing, but I actually felt that Devil is actually a beatiful guy, but nobody understand him and I felt sorry for him and sent him so much love, and others picked up that feeling and stopped beeing scared, suddenly we all enjoyed our trip together, together like it is supposed to be. I know that it is not always easy, some people are just too fucked up or they just can't let go, but that is why you need to know people you are tripping with. Rather don't dose with people like that, than to dose and than run away from them. There is not only one example that that way distroyes trip for everybody. So be carefull, don't dose with people you know they can't handle it, or if you dosed together, stay together no matter what!

 

Sound advice there.

 

i think im lucky cause all my friends do the just about the same amount of drugs as me, i couldnt have beleived i would have such good friends like 2 years ago.

if we expereince scary shit, well i personally deal with it myself, i may just suddenly get all quiet for a bit and deal with it.

this next peice of advice is true and real to me and has been published:

if you start having scary images you must let your mind see them and not fight them. when you try and fight them they remain and get worse and you get tense and so on. when you accept the images, your brain automatically starts showing you new images, happier images. so see fighting the image or the gettin wound up in the negative and it will only get worse and worse. lay down your guard and it will be lifted away and its amazing how much you can turn a trip around.
one strong trip i had i was having soo much fun, seeing colours and what not, then within 5 minits, i had the most terrible fear of my life, i retreated to the car, in which demons were on the windows and dead bodies straped to the bonnet of my car. this lasted for 30 minits. i was just silent. i worked thro it, and accepted it, and it lifted. i couldnt have beleived that after beeing that afraid i could have ever been happy again on that particular trip. however i turned it around, and was laughing again within 30 minits. so there you go.

 

and its probably a peice of advice people have heard, but when there freakin the fuck out seeing the most tormetning shit of their life, its not hard to actually do without a little experince. but i dont know.

 

shapeshifter.
I delt with a friend freaking out on more than one occation and brought them back around... but there is a difference between someone freaking out and needing to go to the hospital. I am just tired of dealing with bullshit that has nothing to do with my trip or progressing me as a humane being. Watching some serious shit like someone foaming at the mouth while tripping face isn't benificial... If I choose to trip alone, avoid being around potential stressors (such as someone who stops breathing, police, jail, and hospitals) and focus on my problems at hand... its my choice. I used to share your same golden rule, (I still do if I trip with other people) but I rarely trip with others who aren't atleast minimally experienced with lsd.