spontaneous causeless dmt release???

this will probably be one of my long winded irrelevent posts that only one or two people will respond to but i'd really like an opinion here, even if it's just to tell me i am completely off track and stupid. this is going to be long, and i apolagize, but i'm really hyped up about this and would appreciate second opinions so much.


so i have not smoked dmt or taken ayahuasca, and it is very very likely that i'm full of crap. but as i was listening to terence mckenna just now, i had this sudden idea hit me like an anvil. those of you who have experienced dmt will hopefully be able to help me with a simple yes or no... ?


dmt is produced naturally in the human brain, most of us know that. is it possible that it could be spontaneously released, in situations other than dreaming, or near death experiences? if you had to guess, would you say it might be happening here?

for around the past three years i've had periods of time where i've been absolutely convinced i am schizophrenic. it's pretty apparent to me that i'm not, because if i were i wouldn't suspect it, right? but i'd have spontaneous vivid visual hallucinations, fractals, patterning, "glitter" over everything, the ground moving under me in waves, etc. i'm trying to keep this short. i knew that nothing i read of schizophrenia described anything like what i was experiencing, but nothing else came even close.


and then the first "fainting" episode happened. i wrote it off as "oh, i was high, it's a normal thing"... i do have low blood pressure, so i've just assumed it's normal. but i'll describe this first time a little. i was with friends, and we were all smoking weed, and suddenly a wave seemed to crash on me. the grass and sky changed colors and were covered in cartoony patterns, layered over by fractals. vividly. i had never done any psychedelics. i broke out into a simultaneously hot and cold sweat, couldn't talk, and stumbled off to the side of the pavilion and sat down. i put my head down, and it got more and more psychedelic. classic psychedelic like you'd imagine it would be. fractals and colors and waves, dancing images and faces. my friend came to see what was wrong, i couldn't talk, i decided to go in to the gas station. i could hardly see through the visions in front of me to make my way to the bathroom, my depth perception was completely shot, and i knew i looked like a zombie but i didn't care. the bathroom just happened to be (i think) floor-to-ceiling black and white tile. christ. FLOOR TO CEILING BLACK AND WHITE TILE. i tried to look in the mirror but could not even see it for a while. when i saw myself, i was blue/purple.


another time that it happened, i was sitting at the computer at my aunt's house, eating breakfast. i felt a tingle start in my chest/stomach, and then it felt like a ball of energy shot right through my head. i remember i had a sort of dialogue with someone, and i was extremely happy. i was floating in a completely independent universe, entirely blissfull. and then i felt a strong buzzing in my body, and remembered i had a body, very slowly. i was laying on the floor, inside a wooden shelf, my head on my open bhagavad gita, disgustingly close to scissors and upturned pencils. honest to god, the first thought i had when i came to was that somehow some salvia has stored inside of me and released all of a sudden. it didn't feel like salvia, but it was the closest thing i had to compare it to. my next thoughts were, "oh god, i've really fucked myself up with drugs, this is going to keep happening from now on". i hadn't touched any chemicals (maybe caffeine) in months. i got bloodwork and pisswork and all kinds of work done and i was totally healthy.


the only other time i'll mention happened at the library when i was babysitting. she was watching milo and otis and i was reading and i felt the buzzing energy and knew it was coming. it's not something that's possible to fight off. so the fractal hallucinations and warping and loss of depth perception started, and i stumbled into the bathroom as quickly as possible. i put my head down again, and again it was full blown psychedelia. i felt like a waterfall of universal thoughts were being poured into me. it's hard to describe. this time i had had experience with lsd and mushrooms. actually, the first time i did mushrooms, i was amazed at how it was almost exactly like these experiences, but much mellower.


this has happened many times, but those three stand out most in my memory. i had used mushrooms, lsd, salvia, and a handful of others, and had powerful, world-shattering experiences, but those experiences outweigh them by lightyears. the most intense psychedelic experience of my life was the first time that it happened, before i had ever taken any psychedelic. i have called it "fainting". but i've never "lost consciousness". it usually happens when i've had plenty of food and sleep and am just sitting around relaxing. when it's been a while since any drug use. it lasts at most i would say fifteen minutes, usually less. i can't find anything anywhere that explains any of this, except in descriptions of the DMT experience.


i might or i might not have all kinds of things psychologically "wrong" with me. i can't say for sure. i've had existential anxiety attacks since i was a baby, and i'm being tested to see if i am manic depressive. i don't know. that might have something to do with it. i'm in a stage of "wait, that's not normal??" realizations and this one just fell on me.


so i feel stupid and awkward for asking, but does this sound like a dmt related thing? is it even possible? i'm sorry i'm littering up the dmt forum with crap if it isn't. thank you for reading this.

 

Damn, that's some tale. Who's to say if'n it's spntaneous DMT or not... I'm guessing you could possibly have the medical people actually run some tests on your urine metabolites... (surely you've read about such stuff in regards to psychiatric conditions)... I will note that I have once had a panic attack that brought on a visual perception that I was walking around about 30ft off the ground. Your experiences sound much more involved, so who's to say.... Do keep us informed...........BTW, good luck or good trippin' (however you look at it)========= squid

 

Prismatism, I've had similar experiences. On two occasions when I just stood up, at first I thought it was just a head rush, but within seconds I sat back down before I fell over, and got full auditory and visual hallucinations that lasted only maybe for maybe a couple minutes or less. Very similar to smoked dmt experiences I've had, but didn't last as long. Also a couple of times while I was sleeping, I've awoken in the middle on the night, feeling suddenly extremely awake but seeing all kinds of fractal, geometric, psychedelic type visuals, again this lasted for several minutes and felt similar but not quite the same as dmt. Is it dmt causing experiences like these? I don't know, dmt does naturally occur in the brain/body all the time, as well some other interesting chemicals. As far as science goes, it really hasn't been very well studied. McKenna had once said that once a person smokes dmt in reality, that forever afterwards and elf will come in his/her dreams and take out a pipe and smoke dmt with them. The human brain is a reality generating organ, everything a person experiences is created by the mind.
Maybe it could be called a spontaneous burst of imagination.

 

Wow, that's something amazing and that I haven't heard of. This definetly sounds like you need some type of meds (no offense, you probably know this). Just think about it, you can be lurking about the street as a pedestrian or driving a vehicle running at high speed and the next you know you're awaking from a coma caused by a "fainting episode". Be careful man. Spontaneous events can end your life as well as others lives.

 

Prism, from when you described a ball of energy rising from below into your head, I can only assume that you are opening the mind of God within you, somehow automatically. Have you read Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man by Gopi Krishna? If not you really should. He describes it as liquid light pouring into his head from the back in the spine, when he tapped the Source, and went through a very long period of thinking that he was going insane. I've had my moments of what at the time I could only conceive to be pure insanity, but you have to realize, you are not going insane. You are touching the secret's of the Light of Creation. It's just that it is so rare, and so few people can understand it, that society tends to make you feel like an outcast, that you are going crazy, and that you need medication.
Some people are naturally chosen to gain 3rd eye divine perception, and though you may not have a yoga sadhana or practice kriya yoga, you are obviously awakening in you a force so overwhelmingly powerful that it is frightening. You are going to have to learn how to focus and control this power, and balance out your internal pranic energy. If it is evenly distributed, you can control these visions by making them appear at will. Remember the words of Jesus Christ :
Matt 6:22: "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

Prism I know exactly what you are feeling, though it's unique for all who go through it, it is the same energy we are tapping into. My episodes over the past 4 years or so are far too many in number and too detailed in account to go into, so I guess your just going to have to trust my word when I say that it happens to me too. Good luck, your guru will find you if the TRUE need arises in your path and will force you to embrace the state of moksha.
Namaste Family -

 

Im sorry but she dosn't need medication.
Unless she feels it is actively damageing her life.
I hate all this if somethings not normal stamp it out with medication that probably causes more damage then good stuff.

People have random fits, eplileptic fits, heart attacks , faint ect all the time and yes whilst it can have terrible consequences most of them are not thought of as needing medication to stop this.

 

It sounds like some type of seizure. It is true that you don't have to take medication for it, but it is probably not safe to drive, swim, hike, give piggy back rides, etc. when you might lose control. I think it'd be worth getting a good neurological work up. A neurologist would know what to do to evaluate your situcation...I'd guess an eeg would be one of the first things after a standard neurological test.

Seizures are quite common...something like 1 out of 100 people have more than one idiopathic seizure in their life. I think you'd be better off knowing exactly what it is, and then making the decision as to whether you want to take medications or not. If you don't want to see a neurologist, at least see a _licenced_ naturopath or something.

Definitly get a second opinion as I'd guess that different doctors would take different courses and it'd be good to know all your options.

I don't think it's DMT. It could be thought of as a gift that you have these experiences, but that doesn't mean that you should not educate yourself with whatever information some medical experts might have.

EDIT: I just remembered one more thing....I think I read once that the reason they started using electric shock therapy was because they noticed that statistically people who experiened seizures were much less likely to have mental illness, so they simulated it with external electicity. So, if it did turn out to be seizures, it could be a good thing! I think a seizure is like an electical storm in the neurons of your brain. (Often preceded by an aura...or some kind of funny feeling...like you described.)

 

i wrote a long reply and my IE crashed so i got frustrated, sorry it's taken me so long to reply. thank you all so much.

peacegrow, i think you may have nailed it. i never really considered seizures, but the aura describes the experience better than anything else i have found.

i can feel them happening and usually have enough time to keep myself and other people out of danger, so i'm not worried about that.

it's nice to have a lead on what is going on, and it's really interesting to read about.

some time later this month or early next month i'm going to go and have a whole bunch of stuff done and examined and hopefully figured out concerning all of my mental health, which is like a grab bag full of weirdness... so, i guess that's that, eh?

 

i'll definitely try to find that book...
when the energy ball shot out of my head, it did feel like a very spiritual thing... just a day or two before, i had met with indradyumna swami, who had wanted to talk to me and was all enthusiastic about all these things he felt he knew about me... it's hard to describe without it sounding too bizarre, but you probably understand. there was a festival (it may have been gaura purnima?) a day after the energy ball thing happened that he had asked me to please go to. he was very, very intent on me going. but then the fainting thing happened, and i was so shaken up by it that i stayed in bed and didn't end up going, and i was told he was asking people about me and was upset that i didn't show up. i felt so horrible about it. i still do. if you know anything about indradyumna swami, you know he has a knack for following kismet in ways that end up poetic and meaningful and magical, literal allegories... very hard to explain. the way that i woke up with my head rested on my open bhagavad gita, when if i had fallen just an inch in either direction i could have killed myself or at least really hurt myself, felt very significant too. i wish i had written down which page it had opened to. when i came back i was in the worst panicked and confused frenzy i have ever been in. it was like having to be reborn back into my life. i couldn't actually think about it until a long time later.

what you wrote is really encouraging and inspiring, and i do trust you and believe you know exactly how i feel. thank you so much. you have no idea how big of an impact you have on me . <3

 

My question is, have you ever done acid? It could be acid flashbacks.

 

oh yes, i have

i have had flashbacks (i get flashbacks when i eat salsa o___0... it's weird), and they are very different.

the first and most intense time happened before any psychedelic use.

 

I haven't been on forums for months so sorry for my late reply. For years I have been going thru similar situations and I know how exactly that feels and all of the questions it raises with one. For a long time I wasn't able to talk about it to anyone thinking I'm going mad. And then finally when I spoke about it first was, for sure, to take me to doctors. They couldn't find anything with the scans and test but they prescribed to me epilepsy medication. But I never had epileptic attack with foam coming out from my mouth and body shaking. And I went on with the medication for few months feeling completly broken and unable to be myself plus they were putting me asleep constantly so I was not able to study as at that time I was still in my high school. I was age 17. So I stoped them on my own not telling anyone cause I couldn't live my life like that anymore.
And than I met people who led me to meditation and yoga and than people who showed me psychedelics. Both expained so much to me.
You are perfectly fine and you don't need medication. It is not dmt related and you can learn how to control it. I don't know how to explain to you how cause I did not go by any book or example I would say I found my own way with the help of many spiritual books and experiences. First I found what were the first signs to show me that will happen ( but not like a minute before it happens you can feel it coming much earlier) and after I found mine I worked on it how to stop it or let it happen depending on the situation I was in. The next step was to be with it no matter what the situation is. Maybe better to explain it being in both worlds at the same time and still funcion properly. Cause that when it hits you is strong.
And reading your last post saying the most intense was before psychedelics just consider that you are maybe already finding your way.
Hope I was of any help. Lots of love

 

Let me add some more. I tried so many times to explain that feeling to my husband but it is not like anything I know. You don't feel like struck from lightning and it doesn't come from above. I was explaining it to people from my stomach somewhere deep inside but it's actualy starting lower. It was happening randomly in the middle of perfect normal happy day. I would be in the middle of conversation with people or doing something and it happens. At 17 I was young naive girl and it scared me so much. I was not leaving my body but sort of weakness and definitly desorientation was there when it was happening I could not stand in that moment and sometimes I was not sure did I said something to someone. That made me say what was going on to others and my parents. And you can imagine how happy doctors were to have a new guinea pig. They did brain scans, blood test, etc..and nothing. Nobody could see the big changes and my mum said when she looked into my eyes it was more like I'm not there.
As the feeling starts going up you can feel the sweat flashes on your body.
It never happened to me so long like 15 minutes. Lets say peak would be like 2-3 minutes and that was when I was not connected with this reality. Altogether like 5-6 minutes.
I can't say I see the future or it's very useful many things I saw I needed years to explain them to myself and had many sort of repetition situations for example I would talk to someone and in a second go thru whole situation and after that everything that is happening I know it will happen and I know what other person will say and what I will say and I still say exactly the same words. I was amazed and confused at the same time in those situations.
But there was always something at least with me that triggered it to happen. Something like a sound or one little detail in the picture I see would for a moment make a feeling like I know this from before and than it would start.
And that was 11 years ago. One thing for sure I wouldn't call it not so intense but it's not happening that often anymore like it used to be. And it can be quite shocking if you don't know psychedelic world. Its not easy to go thru it if you don't know what is going on and if you speak about it everybody looking at you like you are really crazy and than you remember all those people talking with themseves constantly and you ask yourself are you becoming one of them. And you never asked or wished for this.
But life is such a beautiful experience itself. Don't ask to many "why"s. Enjoy it!

 

I definitely don't think you are crazy.

I think it's great that you shared your experience and that you are doing fine. I wouldn't want to label what you are experiencing. I do feel like I should mention a few things, not specifically for you but for anyone reading this thread.

Seizures don't necessarily involve shaking or foaming at the mouth.

It might be useful to read these links:
Especially: http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/seizure_simplepartial
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/types_seizures
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/seizure_absence

There's probably no answer to the "why", but maybe the "what", which can help some people. Although one might not want to treat this problem, it might be nice to know that it's not that uncommon and there are many people who experience the same thing.

Most of the time these types of seizures are idiopathic so they won't show anything unusual on EEG, MRI, blood, etc unless you are actually having a seizure during the EEG. It is, IMO, important to do those tests, though, when a person first starts experiencing these symptoms, because it could be caused by a serious illness. If someone has had them for years without much change, I don't think that would be a worry.

I guess the main purpose for my post is to say that anyone experiencing these symptoms might want to get checked out to make sure it's not something serious. It is most likely some kind of idiopathic abnormal electricity in the brain, which is sometimes called a seizure. Anyone can have a seizer, but some people for unknown reasons are more likely than others. (like Socrates, Joan of Arc, Neil Young.)

And, one last link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_epilepsy

 

Thank you for this links. Very much sounds like simple partial seizure. Hope this experience might help prismatism also. Epileptic medication didn't help me stop them they just made me drowsy. She might want to check her but it's not really a pleasant experience going on a brain scans and being with all those electrodes around your head. But if it has to be done it has. One thing for sure they start with the feeling from your body and it is absolutly psychedelic the world you go into. After some years they substain. Nowdays I will get just the feeling in the body and it stops there. Happens maybe once or twice a year. Never goes all the way to losing reality. But going thru them and learning what are my early signs I somehow figured it out to stop them. And it is not genetical as there is no one in my far family with it.
Thanks again peacegrow. At the time when I was going thru this, it was not explained that well and now that I'm fine for years never occured to me to check it on Internet.

 

Hi i have the same thing, also sometimes i have audio and visual hallucinations, but for me its not a proglem, i honly have them wen i am in bed relaxed etc.
I think its your descision but i dont think its a seizure, i think its a spiritual experience .

Bye Salivrah

 

This sounds like sleep paralysis to me, but Im just guessing that since you said 'when I am in bed relaxed etc.'

 

no im completely awake happens also for instance when im listening to certain kinds of music.

Bye Salivrah

 

to the OP:



sounds like siezure to me... a friend of mine has epilepsy and describes simulare incidents.. please dont put your friends through what my friend put us through... We have had to get him to the hospital on two seperate occations while tripping face because he broke out into epileptic seizures. Take care of yourself before you wind up hospitalized... Depakote helps in higher doses and doesn't negatively effect LSD...

 

hypnagogic paralysis occurs before falling asleep, the body shuts down as the mind stays fully awake and aware of it's situation, yet hallucinations occurs both auditory and visual. sleep paralysis is just a general term used to brush post and prior sleep states in which hallucination occurs during full consciousness