Should a mother be charged...

Discussion in 'The Hip Polls' started by The Instinct, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. The Instinct

    The Instinct Member

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    Should a mother be charged for child abuse when the father gets charged when the mother knew what the father was doing and the mother did nothing to prevent? Opinions anyone, thoughts? What do you think should happen?
     
  2. ibe a-ta

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    honestly that is something that should be handled delicately

    if the mother was doing nothing out of say fear then just charge the father

    if she was say encouraging it or something like that throw the book at 'em
     
  3. The Instinct

    The Instinct Member

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    what would you do if the mother wasn't afraid of the father, didn't encourage, but just sat idle?
     
  4. LeapingTiddlywinks!

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    Baby stays, depending on what the abuse was and criminal charge.

    I don't like the idea of big government (Child Protective Services being an arm of that), coming to swoop up peoples' kids. There's a lot of huge problems with CPS.
     
  5. The Instinct

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    I agree there is a lot of problems with CPS-too many and they don't take enough responsibility for their own actions. Let's say for the sake of arguement then, oh boy... let's go this way....the child gets a couple cracked ribs, pelvic cracks slightly...uhh...black and blue marks on the face....and let's throw in a realistic scenario of CPS not offering anything realistic in the way of help to the parents prior to the event of "serious injury" and then stepping in and taking the child away when it's too late. Let's further it by giving the parents a case worker who looks fresh out of college with little experience. What would you do? How would you react to CPS?...I guess I should have typed up a big scenario at the beginning of this post. Ahh-well, I guess I'll take it as it comes or go back eventually. I guess CPS and child abuse is something that I feel strongly about on top of the wrongs that go on within the government and local agencies who claim to help but yet offer not a lot in return of their claim of help. Furthermore I think that within the court system mothers are given too much in the way of parenting rights. Shit, it's a big topic.
     
  6. WanderingSoul

    WanderingSoul Free

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    I saw a video on youtube about a mother that let her boyfriend abuse her baby daughter. The kid died.
    I think if the woman was afraid or couldn't do anything about it, no charges. But if she just sat by and watched and didn't try to do anything to stop it, just didn't care, then she should probably be charged, or at least have the child taken away.
     
  7. yumyum2k5

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    In the words of the great emperor haile selassie of ethiopia JAH rastafari!!

    Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted,
    the indifference of those who should have known better,
    the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most,
    that has made it possible for evil to triumph.

    I say she should be charged with cruelty to her child but the child shouldnt be taken away from her, it should stay and she should be helped into looking after it properly. If it still persists then further action should be taken.
     
  8. princesspeace

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    If the mother knew it was happening,She should be charged and the child should be put in another home!!! And how could a mother NOT know it was happening? There are physical and emotional signs. Mothers need to be aware and protective and never leave your ckild with a "boyfriend" or someone you haven't known for quite some time. What you do could effect your child for a lifetime! Not to preach,but if you want to get drunk,high,or layed ,or have a boyfriend/husband ,thats fine,but your number ONE priority is making sure your child is SAFE! I would never be so afraid of a man that I would let a man abuse my child! NEVER!
     
  9. The_Moroccan_Raccoon

    The_Moroccan_Raccoon Senior Member

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    A fair society should be putting more emphasis on preventing these kind of scenarios, and only charge people and take their kids when it's really gone far over the line (which your scenario certainly does...) Most abusive parents were abused themselves as children. And their children will frequently go on to do the same thing. Alcoholism and drug abuse is obviously a major factor in a lot of abusive families. This often stems from poverty as a result of not enough support from society. Taking a kid away from their parents is generally not a positive thing either and they tend to get abused anyway... So neither option is going to be a significant improvement.

    Child abuse is not a problem in itself - it is a symptom of much larger societal problems, and without dealing with the root causes of it, it's inevitable.

    Proper social programs are the only real solutions.
    -To start, the court system has a tendency to punish people which is only encouraging crime, alcoholism, addiction and poverty. A rehabilitative approach to it would help a lot.
    -Decent welfare could bring people over the poverty line and maybe give some of those kids more opportunity.
    -Education needs to be better and have incentives for people to stay in school. Literacy rates should be higher. Get rid of that zero-tolerance discipline crap... suspending or expelling someone is not going to help them in any way. Rehabilitative discipline should be put in place - it's a place of education, so shouldn't people be learning life skills? Otherwise, we'd have kids dropping out as soon as they can, being illiterate with no opportunities in life, therefore turning to drugs and violence. They'll probably never be able to hold down a job and will be dysfunctional to the point of being abusive.
    -Treatment for mental illness.
    -A huge increase in LGBT awareness and tolerance.
    -Free birth control and increased availability for abortion.
    -Way more public housing.

    Isn't it ironic how conservatives are so strongly pro-life but couldn't care less about helping kids after they're born?

    All of these things are directly related to child abuse, and it is ESSENTIAL to vastly improve them before we can fairly consider whether or not a mother should be charged.
     
  10. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

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    First objective must be to protect the child. For that reason the child should be placed in the care of foster parents, since in your scenario the mother did not act responsibly. Whether or not the mother should be charged or convicted of an offence is a matter for the court to determine, using established rules of evidence. In the event of a conviction, it is standard procedure (in Canada) for the judge to request a pre-sentence report from FAOS (Forensic Assessment Outreach Service).

    A Child Welfare worker (which I am not) could fill you in on the circumstances under which removal of a child to a foster home is necessary. I am sure the circumstances vary widely from one case to the next.
     
  11. dirtydog

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    Thank you, great emperor Haile Selassie. Isn't that the guy who routinely hanged draft dodgers? Incidently, I was a draft dodger (USA, 1971).

    I have a feeling Selassie was one of these great men who (like Columbus, or Mao) hang their opponents from the yardarm while balling every available hired maiden at every available chance.

    Got any more quotations from great men?
     
  12. yumyum2k5

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    MR.T: shut up fool!
     
  13. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

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    Who's Mr. T? I hope that's not me you're calling a fool.
     
  14. solla._.sollew

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    how can you can 60 years old and not know who Mr. T is??? The A-team? a million gold chain??
     
  15. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

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    Mr. T (born Laurence Tureaud, May 21, 1952) is an American actor known for his roles as Sgt. "B. A." (Bad Attitude) Baracus in the 1980s television series The A-Team, as boxer James "Clubber" Lang in the 1982 film Rocky III, and for his numerous appearances in the WWF and as a professional wrestler.
    So says Wikipedia. I do own a television, but only for occasional use with a VCR. Just about any references you make to the television culture are going to be lost on me. Now get back to your TV show.
     
  16. Lady Neko

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    baby taken
    criminally charged
     
  17. dollydagger

    dollydagger Needle to the Groove

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    IMO, there is little difference between one who inflicts abuse and one who sits by and allows it to happen
     
  18. bekyboo52

    bekyboo52 52~unknown~52

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    i dont care about the scenario... if the mum did nothing she should b locked up regardless y. if its out of fear, then shes too much of a wimp to prtect the child,..if it was cuz she didnt care then shes an evil bitch.
     
  19. Freakymetalchik

    Freakymetalchik BITCH.

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    i agree with beckyboo.
    i think the mom should always be charged...the father too, obviously.
    i mean damn, that is your child. it's your job to protect it no matter what...
    i'll stop before i get pissed off. [:
     
  20. The Instinct

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    I'm so glad so many of you agree. I think many of you should charge some of the D.A.'s for failing to do something about the other side (the mother).
     
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