Proof that Jesus is Love

Around the beginning of the 2nd millenium, there lived a man name Olaf, he was a king, and a Christian, and one day would be a Saint for the things he did in the loving name of the White Christ.

Two of these great things he did was an attempted forced conversion on two proud and honorable heathenmen, Ivind Kinriffi and Raud the Strong. Now, I think when he put that hot iron bowl on Ivinds stomach, and proceeded to add hot coals, demanding conversion, and ultimatly causing Ivind to die when his stomach caved it, he did it out of nothing but love.

I am pretty sure it was the same love that caused him to force a cows horn down Rauds mouth, and let a snake crawl down into his stomach, killing him by biting from the inside.

They never converted.

Hows that for love huh? Ever wonder why we heathen folk are bitter?

Waes thu hal Ivind Kinriffi, Waes thu hal Raud the Strong, soothlice.

 

umm....

funny how you never read anything about Jesus himself doing things like this. I dont really see your point. You didn't really prove anything about Jesus, sarcastically or not.


.....as if no one has ever killed another in the name of the great world tree.......

 

Funny, I have never read anything about a real Jesus...only older things give new names.

 

Never did anything like that? Besides suffered slashes on his back and bled for your stupid sins? Besides was nailed to a cross? You know the nails werent in his hands right? Do you know why they put you on the cross..?

The nails were in his wrists, other wise they wouldn't hold up. You could only breath by lifting yourself up by the nails in your feet, otherwise you would give up and your lungs would fill with water. Then, they stabbed him. That is why water and blood came out.

So would you do the same thing for no reason?

 

real or not, it doesn't matter. would you like to attack the ideals that he stood for, or the validity in the belief that he actually existed?

I dont see how him being fake changes anything in the slightest.

 

Why attach ideals to a fictional character? Why not just live just, balanced, and good, and leave the dogma out of it?

Jesus represents, to me, all things that have gone wrong since man gave up his Elder ways, and forgot his place in the world.

 

Jesus had nothing to do with the corruption of Christianity. Nor did he ever espouse adherence to any dogmatic belief system. He did however, like many prophet figures before and after him, reveal the true nature and potential of humanity through his words, actions, and the consciousness that he embodied.

You're clearly at a stage of your own personal growth where you still require validation of your perceptual paradigm through criticism of organized religion. If you continue to develop you'll discover that the tendency to criticize in this manner (regardless of whether or not your criticisms are accurate in a concrete sense) is only indicative of the aspects of your being that are still capable of being deceived by the corrupted aspects of religion. Criticism is your ego's way of creating a (illusory) rift between yourself and the perceptual distortions inherent in organized religion. After fully transcending these, the impulse to criticize naturally subsides.

Travis

 

How do you know that this happened? Were you there? Maybe it was just a story about some pagan king that somebody later attributed to Olaf.

 

I think that shows more of an issue with the modern selection of saints. I do not claim to know God or know who is in heaven, but I think where the church is concerned, regardless of popular opinion, people who commited acts as such maybe should not be recognized as official saints of the church.

I know this saying comes from Islam, but there shall be no compulsion in religion. (Sura 2:256 of the Qur'an)

 

I have a question, are you referring to Olaf I or Olaf II?

 

Nor its foundation.

Actually, not in the least. I am quite well over that, I just want to tell of some of our martyrs, gods know you all whine of yours.

I am actually very well established in my worldview, in fact, i am of the priest class, but I still like to poke at the dragon when it pleases me.

 

Olaf II Haraldsson, Olaf the Oathbreaker, and at times called Olaf the Asshole.

 

Were you there when your white christ died and came back? How do you know it wasnt just a story some Roman Emperor made up and attributed to Jesus?

Besides, why would a pagan king demand conversion by torture?

 

Ok, then I still stand by my first post.

 

Naturally.

Whose "yours"? You are talking to an individual, not a collective entity. My post didn't include any "whining about martyrs".

Being well-established in a worldview doesn't preclude the impulse to fortify it by ridiculing opposing worldviews. In fact, if anything it increases your susceptibility to this type of indulgence.

The fact that "poking at the dragon" pleases you at all is simply confirmation that you are still being influenced by the aforementioned intermediate stage of growth.

More important then all of the above, however, is that you seem to have missed my point. Jesus isn't the problem. The misinterpretation of his teachings over the last two millennia is. Focusing your latent hostilities elsewhere (or better yet, purging them from your psyche) would no doubt help you to broaden your perceptual horizons.

Travis

 

I'd like to take a step back and say that I respect you heron. I've been in here quite a while and have seen your expanse of knowledge. Take care.

Oh, and PS, do you know anything of the Pre-Christian slavic gods or rituals. I am working on a personal project that I would really like to have those kinds of details worked into it.

 

ya , i'd be mad about the burning of the norse drums . they even get erased from music history . in the beginning was , uh , the metal horn ... but the Sami got to keep the drum , only that a line got drawn . nothing of Sami culture could cross the line and enter into the southern lands - no anything , no drums . so then Sami just had scrawny little arctic trees to make reindeer drums .

so i became a drum-maker . in the doing , i remembered somethings lost - and would hear the ancestors singing on the waters . in nature nothing much has really been lost . listen .

upon this continent is the great buffalo drum .

 

Im still trying to understand the purpose of this thread.

 

May you be ever whole, it was good to read your words.

 

So, I have an immature (or intermediate as you say} spiritual view based on your assumption, and that I posted a sarcastic, yet truthful post about Saints and martyrs? It was in the name of your white christ, but I do not define any hostility towards christianity based on its teachings, instead i have great love and respect for my elder ancestors who were brutally murdered in your White Christs name, great men who stood by the Elder Gods with honor and courage....That was the intent of this post, the hope that you would hear their names...but instead you insult my faith and understanding, and ignore the blood on your own churches hands.