Proof that Jesus is Love

Out of curiosity, why do you you refer to Christ as the "White Christ"? Is that an allusion to the blond hair/blue eyed Jesus you find in such icons as the sacred heart?

 

Maybe the pagan king didn't demand conversion; it was just a sacrifice to Oden. I don't think some Roman Emperor made up the resurrection, because the story was in circulation long before any Roman Emperors were into Christianity. You question the historical validity of Jesus, but swallow any negative stories that seem to be based on sources at least as questionable. Why?

 

First of all, none of my posts have even remotely implied that I'm a Christian or that I identify with a particular church -- those were your own projections. So you can stop with all of the accusatory "white christ", "blood on your churches hands" talk.

Secondly, yes, your spiritual outlook is indeed intermediate. I say this not with an intent to offend you or disrespect your beliefs, but because regardless of whether or not you revere Jesus, the Buddha, Krishna, or whomever your Elder Gods are, higher consciousness simply isn't compatible with a desire to accuse, vindicate, or ridicule -- all things which you have partaken in while participating in this thread.

As far as your taking offense to my posts, I can only say that your reaction is unfortunate. Instead of taking advantage of an opportunity to learn and reflect upon what might truly compel you to start a thread of this nature, you have taken the egoic route and become righteously indignant. I don't know what particular "Elder Gods" you refer to in your posts, but if they were/are truly representative of higher consciousness, then your behavior is by definition incapable of reflecting their divine attributes.

Travis

 

man, where are all these super-articulate people coming from?


pretty soon I wont be able to keep up.

 

If you can keep up now then you're in the 99th percentile of the world's population -- so don't feel too badly.

Travis

 

Because, had they been a sacrifice to Odin, they would have been hung, proper.

 

No, not white as in skined, but white, from icelandic hviter, meant weak and cowardly....so that is why.

 

And what does it mean of your place in it all that you bother to even be concerned with my apparent lack of wisdom? My behavior is only that I mentioned bad things that was done in the christs name, aside from that, I dont know why you are so judgemental.

 

So what about Christ, real or fake, was weak and cowardly?

 

The question isn't why I'm so "judgemental", the question is why do you interpret my posts as judgement. My intention from the beginning was simply to point out that if you're interested in spiritual growth, starting inflammatory threads about the deficiencies of organized religion isn't exactly the best way to facilitate the process. The key here is understanding the distinction between judgement and discernment. Judgement implies a sense of condemnation, while discernment is little more then a course correction. It would be like calling an air traffic controller "judgemental" for notifying a pilot that their incoming trajectory was too steep to ensure a safe landing. If you were to adopt a more detached perspective, there would be no need for you to feel judged. You could simply assess my posts objectively and incorporate whatever insights you felt they may have offered into your conceptual framework.

Travis

 

Understood. This thread wasnt purely in the name of inflammatory, but more to speak on a horrible deed. I dont care what organization did it, it was horrible and wrong, should I not have mentioned it? Would it had been different if i were in a muslim forum, and made sarcastic remarks about how peaceful a religion it is, at the same time saying how disgusting their acts against humanity are? Apologists always have reasons, but horrid things have happened in both of those "great" faiths.

 

From the view of a northern heathen? very many things.

 

Yeah, the Asatruar are really enlightened folks, preserving the finest of the old time religion. Do the Godar still carve the bloody eagle?

 

No, do Protestants still burn innocent women?

Besides, heathery is much much older than the Icelandics and their ways...you cant paint a picture that dawned in time unknown, with a brush limited to the 10th century.

 

I'm not disputing any of this. When the essence of universal truth becomes distorted by dogma, atrocities are practically inevitable. This phenomenon isn't exclusive to any particular religion. My point is that none of this is relevant for the upliftment of your consciousness. Once you've established that spiritual growth occurs independently of the structural frameworks imposed by religion, there's no longer any need to dwell or fixate on the inherent deficiencies of organized religion. Any attraction towards this is a manifestation of a subconscious aspect of your being that has yet to overcome the fear-based mentality that characterizes followers of organized religion. Your ego is attempting vainly to create a separation between yourself and this dysfunctional mentality, but it isn't separation that's required -- it's transcendence. Understanding this distinction is crucial for any spiritual aspirant, regardless of the unique characteristics of their path.

So, to answer you question more directly, no, I don't think you should devote your energy towards what is essentially cataloguing the atrocities committed by organized religion. Surely, you must sense that the course of your path ascends towards greater heights than this.

Travis

 

Well put. To me, the bothersome thing about Heron's posts is the "holier than thou" stance from someone championing a culture that was notorious for violence and brutality. Naturally, the Asatruar hate Olaf, who converted his people to Christianity, but his methods were typical of the pagan culture in which he was raised.

 

Respectfully, I disagree with that statement, I think he was particularly cruel, and not indicative of his culture....but bad men are in all cultures and folk....

And when you say Asatruar, i think you are imagining something very different that what I am....i am sure you think of Folkish, the gods are all white, north europe is where real people come from Assholtruar, as we call them..I am a heathen mystic, of the old persuasion, very different, with largely broader understandings that Asatruar generally have.

I am a pan-global mystic, respectful of all of mans beauty, ways, and words, but respect my own line most, out of respect and love for my folk and theirs. SO please dont put me in with those bastards.

Be Whole, Gar

btw, I believe that our deeds make us, not vice versa, and that the web is always spun to where you are to be....though this post might have made you all judge me other than I am, hopefully it will help me to express my inner views in a better way from now on....fate continues.

 

I do not champion for late dark ages nordic culture, Heathenry is much older than that....and I am Saxon anyway....