Does PETA...

Does PETA actually do anything helpful for the animals they wish to protect? I mean the money from the hunting and fishing licenses I buy actually goes to pay biologist to study wildlife in my state and helps pay to keep animal and plant habitats prestine. The licenses of course allow me to take game and fish which allows my wife and I to get away from factory processed meats.

 

PETA is a bunch of psychos. They don't accomplish anything but getting media attention for being idiots. Oh yeah, they've brain washed kids into becoming vegetarians because its the cool thing to do, so they can go around and bitch and moan.
They're terrorists, but stupid ones at that. I agree, animals should be treated humanely, but all PETA has done is made themselves into jokes.
No one takes them seriously. Why? Because they're crazy and irrational in how they try to deliver their message. Rather than trying to educate people, they use scare tactics, terrorism, lies, and just being generally annoying.

 

not to mention being hypocrites. the president and founder's life depends on medication that only exists because of animal testing. but of course she has no problem with that because its HER life. fuck them

there is nothing wrong with eating meat. we have been doing it for thousands of years, its natural. aniumal testing for medicine is neccessary to save thousands of human lives. its clothing and cosmetics testing that i am against. also stuff like Veal is pretty fucked up

 

I'm surprised no one is popping up trying to defend PETA. I was actually hoping this post would become a great debate...

 

I defend PETA. I joined Peta a few years ago and have been active on and off depending on my life schedule. I think that for the majority, members of PETA are really trying to help and do what they can. I've always believed that just because and organization has a few morons in it, it's not all bad. I don't and never will/have support those activists who use forms of violence and aggression to get the point across. I personally had out fliers and spread the word about what really happens to the animals, our selves and the planet when we choose to eat meat.


ps I'll stay and debate as long as it is civil. I'm not gonna argue over this shit!

 

I agree with the previous poster about PETA marketing vegetarianism as being "cool" and "trendy". Im a veg, but I think PETA are just as bad as the people and companies they try to attack. They are facist in my opinion, and this is America, home of the free. Let people make their own decisions, dont pressure them into decisions by fear mongering. Leave that for the government.

 

... and by previous poster I meant bloody nail polish.

 

thx for the props; I agree that its a marketing scheme. PETA are a bunch of terrorist psychos. They're leaders have even said they want to burn down buildings and kill people.... they pour paint of people's fur coats? Come on; that's their stuff; don't mess with it... if you don't like it, don't buy it.
PETA are annoying too. They stand outside in stupid costumes bitching and whining and harassing people.
GTFO

 

PETA seem a bit sensationalist for my liking, though they do do good educating people about the atrocities of factory farming and the ilk. Personally, I prefer animal liberationists. (the ones that liberate and rehome animals on the slaughter/testing line, not those that randomly commit acts of violence) They are far more effective and save lives. Vegetarianism for trendiness reasons is stupid, but hey, I spose you could say the ends justify the means. The less meat gets eaten, the less animals are killed, the less methane and CO2 is given off.

 

I do believe that many of those whom join PETA mean well, but as a whole I think the organization is a little out there.

 

Okay, let's disregard the long list of companies PETA has caused to change their policies.
Let's disregard those they have gotten to cut meat out of their diet, we'll even disregard the decent percentage who stuck with it and didn't do it to be trendy.
Let's disregard that if you truly think torturing animals is wrong that a "Just don't buy it" mentality is completely illogical.
Let's disregard how many people they have caused to know whats happening in the world, even if indirectly.
Let's also disregard that "terrorism" has become such a sensationalized word and the users of it know so, but have no problem use the emotional force of comparing the death of nearly 3,000 people to a coat. Disregard how twisted of a mentality that is.
We also need to disregard that the vast majority of PETA members aren't running around killing everybody, and instead pretend they all are.
Disregard animal rights activists who have been physically attacked or killed. Those few people running around killing everyone shouldn't be treated the same way as PETA members in the last disregard.
Disregard that the majority of PETA members on one issue or another disagree with the higher ups, as in most movements. In fact, completely disregard them as individuals.
Disregard that radical protests of all types commonly have people wearing costumes and "complaining" (I think we need even disregard what a protest is)
Alright, now that I'm completely disregarding and ignoring all the issues, I can fight on your level.

Meat eaters are crazy _TERRORISTS_! They are psycho rapists (Well, some are, so they all must be)!!!



Honestly, I'm surprised this crowd didn't use the "Hitler was a vegetarian!" defense. Usually there is at least a couple people arguing against PETA in logical way, but so far no one here has gotten past using sensationalized wording, bigotry, and "tradition" (Which was really surprising, consider how many members here are against other traditions that are thousands of year old.) and complete ignorance of the fact that all the tactics you claimed us of doing have also been used against us, or the fact that unless you live in a very liberal area, walking down the street wearing a fur coat is far safer than walking down the street wearing pro-vegan gear. One their is rare chance of getting paint on your coat, the other will commonly get you verbally and/or physically attacked. I forgot the name of the comedian, but he summed it up pretty good, "Vegans are the only group left in America you're allowed to make fun of anymore". It would of been far funnier if I'd never seen a collar bone broken from someone trying to force-feed my friend meat, or never watched a vegan get surrounded by a group trying to explain to him that he was a dirty hippie and a pussy. The crazies are on both sides of the debate, but thats pretty fucked up to group all of us under the actions of a few.

 

I have to admit, even as a meat eater, you made a lot of great points Nature Child. i think everywhere you go, there will be crazies
I think the difference here though with PETA is that their leaders are the ones encouraging bombing, fire, destruction, etc. So how can you support a movement if you don't support what its leader's stand for? PETA is built upon the activists that lead it... who are mostly a bunch of wack jobs who poor paint on people's clothes and pigs blood on people trying to buy food. Not to mention all the animals they've killed. They've pretty much ruined PETA's reputation. PETA could have been great if they could have kept their sanity together... now very few people can take them seriously.
You see, the horrible evil meat eaters you describe are very few... and the minority. Most meat eaters aren't like that. However, most major PETA members are indeed quite psychotic

 

Yeah, it is, strangely, easier to support the ALF or other groups actually labeled as terrorists, they have no actual head. So you can support them and only support a certain , sane (well fairly) part of them.

 

I know I should I quit while I'm ahead, but I won't. And so this post needs a disclaimer:
WARNING: This post contains fringe politics. It in no way reflects the majority of those in the animal rights/welfare struggle, who are generally fairly pacifist (which is why its hard to get in a debate with them. Many won't even admit in public that they are vegan)

(Btw, why does it seem all my recent debates are against you, Bloody?)

Alright, let's begin. I'm one of those psychotic members. I support terrorism. When torture, murder, exploitation are all legal and legally hidden from the public eye, what is legal and what is not becomes irrelevent of what is right and what is wrong (and yes, I know right and wrong are subjective words). I do not believe you can be "violent" against a building, or at least you cannot compare it the violence going on inside that building. Plus, I have no respect for the holy concept of private property. As long as utmost care is taken to avoid the loss of any lives, I openly support it. And I know thats always followed with the claim, "But people COULD of been hurt!", it is very rare that they are, unless it was intentional (which I do not support). Driving a car is more likely to kill someone than being terrorist.

I do have a problem with attacking meat eaters though, as those are just normal people. They are not the enemy, but rather those who you want to sway over to your side. If you hate Wal-mart, you attack Wal-mart, not its customers, instead that encourage them to boycott/

Fur wearers are a different story. Noone is brainwashed enough that you need to wear fur, or that fur wearing makes you strong and gives you strong bones. There is no "Clothing chain" to be on top off to compare to the food chain. Fur wearers know its just fashion and to show off their money. Physical violence against them is wrong, but a little paint? I'm not going to cry myself to sleep at night because someone has a stain on their coat.


I have to agree with you too, Finnaz, ALF has a far better design by being leaderless (I'm not going to go on a pro-anarchy speal though).

Now that I would do any form of terrorism. Then again, if the shac7 are any indication, I'm already a dangerous terrorist for advocating those viewpoints (Hell, I'm even more dangerous than the shac7, they didn't advocate it, the just refused to denouce it)

Once again, not mainstream animal rights thoughts.

 

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The murder part is bullshit (to my knowledge). But Ingrid (or whatever her name is) has openly refused to condemn ALF and illegal activity to sabotage businesses. I think she wrote a book on it too.

Also, I don't technically support PETA, I just accept a diversity of tactics. One of their benefits of being so radical is that it encourages group's to take a middle ground as pixeeweed has said. This can clearly been seen in their fight against fast food. By specifically targeting the worst fast food chain, they create an economical advantage for companies not to be the worst. And so PETA hasn't shut down fast food, they keep on forcing them to improve their qualities enough that they don't become the target. Hell, Burger King sometimes now improves conditions before they get targeted again. They are catching on.

 

PETA is just too radical. They don't worry about the pound puppies and kittens that are dying in the pounds locally, but yet theyll worry about an elephant in the circus...yes it all needs to be taken care of fast, equally, and directly. Greenpeace does a better job about whaling and such things as that better than PETA does. I love greenpeace but PETA, they just do not do anything that is helping at all. they are very extreme as i said and i just dont mess with them. They think everyone should be the way they want and people have their own ways of eating. Yes, it is VERY terrible how slaughterhouses treat animals but there are other ways to fix that. =)

 

Yeah, gotta love Greenpeace, who has done everything they can to ensure the ships get to keep on whaling. Sea Sheperd is better than Greenpeace, since SS doesnt hide the ships from Greenpeace (crazy people, those GPs)

And since when does PETA not care about pound animals (Though they need to shut down their own pound, but i digress)? PETA always encourages people to get their companion animals from the pound, and with their "radical" views commonly go so far as to claim those who buy from breeders are helping kill the animals in pounds.

 

I think PETA is responsible for more animal deaths than anyone else in the country in that they euthanize over 99% of all the animals they "rescue".