is everyone too stoned to actually fight for the legalization?

Discussion in 'Cannabis Activism' started by masterelskin, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. masterelskin

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    is everyone too stonded to acualy fight for the legalisation?
     
  2. Zen_Master3568

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    just becasue were stoned doesnt mean we cant fight legeslation... with cannabis this isnt a problem but its a major problem with people trying to legalize shooms...
     
  3. skip

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    I've always wondered if being chronically stoned does dilute ones motivations for fighting for change. That's the beauty of marijuana. It makes you more accepting and complacent. Not a bad thing in itself.

    But when you realize that almost 2,000 get arrested and go to jail everyday for marijuana offenses, you HAVE to take some kind of action.

    It's akin to the Vietnam War protests where people finally had enough and took to the streets because they themselves were being drafted.

    Do you have to get busted yourself - with a criminal record - before you will take action?

    What kind of action to take?

    Well if you live in California, you can sign Jack Herer's Initiative for TOTAL LEGALIZATION OF CANNABIS!
     
  4. DdC

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    It's not a fair fight, not that we can't fight.
    courts battle to win, not for justice and truth.
    Cops lie and whine about potency,
    whine about how they'll have to work harder.
    Politicops...
    Booze wasn't kept illegal because of lazy drinkers either.
    When the people had enough violence,
    they passed another amendment.
    Now without a constitutional amendment to overturn,
    it belongs in the hands of the states to decide.
    Tell that to the Drug Czar liar. He thinks he owns the world.

    Vietnam protests didn't stop the war,
    it did put the war on the front burner.
    Lots of cheap pot and big lids and music, chicks.
    It was the soccer moms who later joined.
    Then 3 years of negotiations before we skipped Hanoi town.
    Now many find medicinal value and speak out to their doctors,
    their doctors are told to keep quiet, AMA Insurance rackets.
    Shaffer said Ganja was not worthy of a schedule#1,
    Nexxon said too bad and classed it anyway.
    Woodward and Burnstein looked the other way.

    Ganja has little chance as long as the media permits the government to lie,
    and they repeat the lies. Outlaw the liars!
    When the NH legislature passes reform and then the governor vetoes,
    recall the bum! Same when the Alaskan fascists lie, cage the bastards!
    When we do win, they just weasel around it.
    Hiding research, then the media blasts reefer madness instead.
    Denver passed reform twice and the cops don't pay attention.
    Alaska Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional,
    yet the fascists still try to overturn them.

    Mollie Fry gets mandatory sentencing,
    designed for criminals using a firearm.
    If they legislated fairly, if that is possible.
    If the lobbies didn't have the final word.
    If the politicians worked for the citizens.
    If Ganja was tested for what is is,
    not bogus science to get bad results.

    If rich white men smoked it instead of straggly hippies.
    If it didn't have so many uses.
    If it wasn't related to hemp
    and the competition keeping it all lumped together.
    If it didn't replace expensive pills with expensive side effects.
    Oh well, by then I'll too old to smoke it...
    Glad I don't obey bad laws,
    look at all the years I would have missed happily toking... DdC

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  5. High_Times_w_Kumar

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    im fucking tired of people saying we're too stoned or too lazy to get it legalized, i wrote to my senatrs, and donate to NORML and am doing everything i can, i cant run for governeor of president a legalize it. so fuck you and all those who say we arent doing anything, maybe yur not so get off your lazy stoner ass and write someone and donate some money.
     
  6. Green_Goddess

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    i think its a dumb question but i have to admit i laughed when i read it lol..
     
  7. DdC

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    Inform the public about Jury Nullification...
    Especially anyone sitting on a Ganja trial jury.
    Locally start Low Priority initiatives...
    Medicinal laws.
    Legalize it locally.
    Hemp laws.
    State initiatives.
    This is totally a state issue.
    Some fear Jury's Nullifying,
    mostly politicians, judges and lawyers.
    But also Liberals fearing the racism of the past.
    It should be used with caution, but is definitely there for the using.

    I've found not selling and keeping usable amounts around deters busts.
    They will bust you if they stumble on it and thats usually just stup... negligence.
    Advocating is necessary. Smoke billowing out of your VW microbus, covered in Skulls and Roses and leaves won't be considered profiling. It's like, hey here we are, catch me if you can. And they will...
    Even if it's illegally illegal, the cages are real.
    ...this link has several articles and sites. Pass it on...

    Jury Nullification DWR Feb 20, 2006

    Anglo-Saxon common law right of claiming a "necessity" to break the law,
    because doing so prevented a greater harm...

    -- Rob Waddell

    Our American Common Law

    How FIJA Saved My Life! By D. Paul Stanford
    Source: CRRH December 19, 1999
    The Fully Informed Jury Act (FIJA) saved my life and I'm happy to be a free man here today to tell this story. I am both the founder of Tree Free EcoPaper, the oldest hemp business in the USA today, and one of the activists that formulated a proposal to regulate cannabis, the Oregon Cannabis Tax Act, that is being advanced via the initiative process in Oregon by our PAC, Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp. I was acquitted of growing marijuana in federal court in a trial in December of 1993.

    Sister Somayah Kambui

    WOMAN WITH SICKLE CELL WINS FIGHT TO GROW CANNABIS FOR MEDICINE and POSSES CANNABIS FOR MEDICINE AND COMPASSIONATE USE!!
    March 19, 2002

    Police testified that they found more than 200 pounds of marijuana plants in Somayah Kambui's backyard when she was arrested Oct. 5. They believed she was using her medical condition as a ruse to run a distribution operation out of her South Los Angeles house.

    Also seized were six pounds of marijuana in large glasses, an additional 13 pounds in packaging, 34 marijuana cookies, 32 small brown vials of hash oil, and a pot on the stove with three liters of oil. But after six days of testimony, a Superior Court jury spent only three hours deliberating before finding Kambui, 51, not guilty on all five counts.

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    Ed Rosenthal, Tipping Points and Doomed Laws

    Half the jurors who Friday convicted pro-marijuana author and activist Ed Rosenthal of three federal felonies apologized to him Tuesday, saying they'd have voted differently had they known one more fact.

    US District Judge Charles Breyer today sentenced Ed Rosenthal to one day in prison on each of three counts, stemming from his conviction earlier this year of supplying medical marijuana under license of the city of Oakland. Breyer also fined him $1,000 and then freed him.

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    Lepptomania, n. 1. Extreme stubbornness in the belief that state law is sovereign over federal law with respect to medical marijuana. 2. (obsolete) Intransigence associated with enlarged gonads.

    A 32,500-plant medical marijuana garden grown in plain sight along a Lake County highway in 2004 cannot be used as evidence in a federal case against high-profile marijuana activist Charles "Eddy" Lepp, a federal judge has ruled.

    "The biggest bust in the history of the DEAjust did go up in smoke,"

    (Lepp is suing the DEA for return of property and $67 million in damages.)

    Demand The Feds Prove Their Legal Jurisdiciton!

    Although the general public doesn't know it, the battle over medical-cannabis isnt about marijuana at all!

    It's about federal power and federal tax $'s inside the 50 sovereign states.

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  8. Xzei

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    i dont care either way right now
    as long as i get my bud what happens outside my life dosnt matter
    if i got busted my opinion might change
     
  9. Pennyroyal_Tea

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    That's the god damn problem...

    People like you who are just selfish enough to say "Well, as long as I get what I want, I don't care".

    Get off your ass and do something about the problem, instead of becoming a part of it.

    That's right. All the stoners who don't fight because they're happy buying illegally and toking up ought to be ashamed of themselves. They're part of the problem.

    Hemp for medicine, Hemp for rope, Hemp for clothing, and Hemp to smoke!
     
  10. skip

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    DdC!!! Where have you been? Glad to see you back here! Missed your great posts like the ones above. It's time for unity & action! Could you Puleeze post some stuff on the new MJGuide? You got a website happening? :)
     
  11. DdC

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    Hey Skip,
    still making rounds,
    Traded my puter in for one without a rumble seat.
    You ever make it to Aptos?
    I've been dropping off some stuff.
    still have the cybrary,
    Be well,
    [​IMG] DdC

    Pot Makes You Lose Your Mind!
    March 20th, 2008 By: Paul Armentano, NORML Deputy Director

    Following Tuesday’s surprise House vote in New Hampshire in favor of legislation decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of pot, many of the Granite State’s political leaders and pundits have come down with severe cases of ‘Reefer Madness.’

    New Hampshire House Votes 193-141 to Stop Arresting Pot Offenders

    Hard-wired for prohibition

    Mayor Frank Guinta has asked state Rep. David Scannell to resign as spokesman for the Manchester school district after Scannell voted Tuesday to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana.

    The notion of calling for the resignation of someone from a public position for their vote as a representative in the State House is extraordinarily absurd, particularly when coming from a public official invoking logic while demonstrating a complete lack of it.

    But it's also a very telling moment as it relates to drug policy. Sure, Guinta's a moron. But how did he arrive at such a low point of humanity?

    I'm convinced that there is a small core segment of the population that has so thoroughly drunk the kool-aid of prohibition that they firmly believe two propositions to be as true as the law of gravity:

    1. Marijuana is very, very bad. Always.
    2. An effective way, and the only way, to deal with marijuana is through strict prohibition

    Despite being completely wrong, these two points are so ingrained that these people will not/cannot comprehend/listen to any rational arguments, so they assume that no rational opposing viewpoint exists. Thus, anyone who has an opposing viewpoint must want bad things to happen and should therefore certainly not be put in any connection with young people.

    Prohibition propaganda overrides parts of the brain that actually allow rational thought. This makes our job much harder... DWR Pete Guither

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  12. ava

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    in my part of the world, there is no need for a fight

    you can have two plants(they forgot to say how tall or wide:))
    no more than 30 grams for personal use
    no growing under lights
    if you busted, the first three times you
    get on the spot fines and on the fourth
    you get to go to drug school. no criminal conviction

    there are also hemp plantations around the country
    for clothes and sailing rope

    if your caught dealing, that's a different story
    ie a rented house set up for growing under lights
    with no people actually living in the home...jail time
     
  13. Spliffyman420

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    what ive been thinking on this subject is that people are getting more and more used to weed, and more and more people are smoking than before. As more and more states work toward medical, along with the states that have medical moving towards decriminalization of small amounts, things are showing signs of progression. Whats everyones thoughts on this? Do you think this is actually going anywhere?
     
  14. Pennyroyal_Tea

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    Might be ten years 'til total legalization, but I think we're on our way. Eventually, it'll come. Patience... I'm just worried that it'll wind up legal, and some stupid fucks will wind us up like Holland, where the popo don't mind so much, but the man is getting restless... (or so I've heard)
     
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    even though our laws are lax, full legalisation will probably never happen the government makes too much money out of it and you will never get rid of the criminal element. if you want to legalise it, you need to play the game that they play in order to get in and fight. This would be hard if your not experienced in the ways of state government. Also, not so much in this country, but religious groups are starting to step in giving their two cents. This is having an effect on government opinon
     
  16. DdC

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    Marijuana: the law vs. 12 million people
    Life magazine Oct 31, 1969. 25-35

    Should it be legalized? Soon we will know. by DR. JAMES L. GODDARD
    Life magazine Oct 31, 1969. 25-35


    Man has used marijuana both socially and medicinally for several thousands of years and yet today there is little scientific knowledge of its dangers or merits. In spite of our lack of knowledge, an estimated 12 million Americans have used the drug in recent years. Now we are in a near crisis caused by ignorance and the blanket of misinformation which governmental agencies have used to cover their ineptitudes.
    continued...erowid

    Frank Defends Proposal To Decriminalize Marijuana By The Associated Press
    CN Source: Associated Press March 23, 2008 Boston, MA


    Rep. Barney Frank is defending a bill he plans to file this week decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana, saying the federal law unfairly targets those using medical marijuana in California. Frank, who filed a bill to decriminalize marijuana as a member of the Massachusetts Legislature in the 1970s, said the decision whether to make possession of the drug illegal should be left up to the states.

    Rep. Frank Defends Proposal To Decriminalize MJ

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    Calling B.S. on The Idea of 'Marijuana Addiction' By Paul Armentano
    CN Source: AlterNet March 22, 2008 USA


    The U.S. government believes that America is going to pot -- literally.

    Earlier this month, the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse announced plans to spend $4 million to establish the nation's first-ever "Center on Cannabis Addiction," which will be based in La Jolla, Calif. The goal of the center, according to NIDA's press release, is to "develop novel approaches to the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of marijuana addiction."

    Major political research studies

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    Richard Nixon's Missing Tapes

    Shafer Commission (US federal government, 1973 DWR
    Drug Use in America: Problem in Perspective,
    National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse.

    Marijuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding

    "Marijuana's relative potential for harm to the vast majority of individual users and its actual impact on society does not justify a social policy designed to seek out and firmly punish those who use it."

    Marijuana: What science has to say by Elizabeth Finkel
    Issue 10 of Cosmos, August 2006


    "The bottom line is that marijuana never quite qualified as such, so they started making distinctions. Nobody ever liked the 'psychological dependence' idea, as it was meaningless and [people] started applying it to running and love and everything else. Rumour has it that the whole thing was all about getting marijuana users diagnosed as dependent."

    But addiction is characterised not just by a craving for more or increased physiological tolerance to exposure, but also by withdrawal symptoms. "People were still trying to find marijuana withdrawal after 4,000 years of use."

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    Please dont put Cali in that lazy list.

    One of the 15 state to make it a lesser fine for personal use.

    First passed prop 215 in 1996!( Medical pot for the sick ).

    Since before 2000 the clubs started popping up here there and everywhere.

    Then the state stopped it to make it ........
    State controlled
    Sweet statewide cards to get pot in any club in state.
    State is making a killing on pot.

    The state also has helped since it passed for the cause.
    Like CHP will not take if you have a card andpot in trunk .

    We have 400 legal clubs and some like as many not legal but that's there troubles not my worry.

    All the other states that passed pot for medical pot, they are way behind getting it off the ground and have a handful clubs per state.

    I talked the vote up for 6 months and handed out the "pass medical pot vote" and voted as well. as Denver was about to vote I made post to pass it. Safer than most mind changing things.
     
  18. Zoonjoo

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    its not that were stoned, its that were young. and i think everyone knows young people dont vote, old fucks do. young people have to go to school or work on election day, usually and thats why weed will never be legal in a republic.
     
  19. Captain Cannabis

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    it'll be legal when my generation starts voting.

    thats a gaurantee
     
  20. Zen_Master3568

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    the captain is right... there or sooo many yong people in canada who smoke weed and cant vote, if none of them change thier views by voting age... canada will be the next amsterdam
     

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