Ron Paul question

Discussion in 'Libertarian' started by signofthetimes, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. polecat

    polecat Weerd

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    a lot. A state government is much more representative of its constituents and can account for local differences when creating bills or laws. The federal govt is more far removed from the people that the laws are affecting and cannot adapt to differences in certain areas.

    And it also means that the people themselves have more power over issues concerning them. For example if drugs were controlled at the state level, then a state like say, Colorado, could decide it was sick of spending millions of dollars enforcing marijuana laws, and then decriminalize. It would then have that tax money to whatever it wanted, but it would also have to deal with the consequences of decriminalized marijuana. Individual states solving individual problems as opposed to the federal government trying to solve state problems.
     
  2. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    It's the basis for our entire government. Federalism as a system like in the US, Germany, Switzerland, Mexico, Spain, ect is meant to divide power between the central government and the states. In the US this has always been a big issue from day 1. Remember when we were founded we were 13 seperate colonies that aside from being previously owned by Britain had no real political ties, but we had an obvious need to work together so we tried using the articles of confederation which failed miserably because the federal government had so little power each state could just overpower it. So we designed the constitution which made a more practical government. The constitution specifically mentions the rights and powers granted to the federal government and says those not mentioned shall be assumed by the states.

    History less aside though, point is the states have always been considered soverign entities inside the United States that have always had a large degree of power and it remains the case to the present.(2 states, mine included are so local power oriented we don't even have county government, it's all in either each individual town or the state itself. Every state is pretty different from each other so state's tend to value their rights as do the people of said state when something at the federal level might upset the status quo in the state.
     
  3. mr.morrison

    mr.morrison Senior Member

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    exactly. whenever people find out that i say the Roe vs Wade is unconstitutional, they flip and assume im some wack job religious nut case. i am 100% pro choice. but i am also 100% constitutionalist. since abortion is not mentioned in the constitution, as drugs, gay marraige, etc, all are STATEs rights to make the law.

    i think every drug should be made legal. it would lower crime, empty out our prisons of harmless individuals, destroy organized crime rings, and bring great economic improvments. so long as an age limit is put on the drugs, such as 21. but if each state individually chose to keep drugs illegal, i would be much more accepting of the law becauwse it is CONSTITUTIONAL.

    gay marraige, and abortion are the same. i am pro life and pro gay rights. but they are state laws. the federal govt has no right to even consider making a law about them

    just because ron paul personally is against abortion/gay marraige does not mean he is a sexist and homophobe. he will not take away the right to choose or get married if your gay. he wants force the country to obey its own laws. to prevent further corruption and cause more people to have a say in their govt. and to me, that sounds like the way things should be.


    and honestly, how can abortion or gay marraige be a more important issue than an illegal war that is costing thousands of american lives and billions of dollars while at teh same time, feuling the fire of harted towards america which will eventaully lead to our downfall? i think abortion and gay marraige are secondary issue. besides, if bush couldnt do anything about them, paul sure as hell wont be able too

    and where did the racism come from? if you are referring to him accepting a donation from a white supremacist, thats rediculus. that doesnt mean he is supporting that mans beliefs. stop being a sheep and look for information beyond FOX or NBC
     
  4. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    if that last comment was directed at me, think again...i don't even have television. you guys go ahead and stick your heads in the sand. you look kinda cute that way. :tongue:
     
  5. zenloki

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    I've heard Ron Paul speak out against gay rights and what he says is that it's not about being gay, it's about being human. You're a human and you have rights. Keep focusing on gender or orientation or race and all you get is a divided nation. That's the rhetoric coming out of the federal government for decades now and it is an ancient strategy of divide and conquer. The feds want to keep us divided and scared and in our place so they can do what they want. Read the Project for a New American Century. It's a manifesto for keeping the US on top economically and how to go about it. Ron Paul wants to lead the citizens away from the tyranny that we are now experiencing by the federal government and if you look at his voting record, you'll see he consistently has the conviction. And no he can't do it alone. He'll need help from all of us to make the changes that will make us both stronger and freer. We can't be a free people when congress writes laws against our Constitution or the feds are pandering to the corporations. Around the world the US has been meddling in the affairs of other nations and what's the result? Less freedom and more aristocracy for the citizens and we're headed in the same direction.
     
  6. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Apparently our heads are poping out, granted Paul is still never gonna win he's got 2nd in 2 states. Not bad when you're main support base is hardcore constitutional nut jobs that everyone makes fun of and stoned college students watching the daily show.
     
  7. Jack-a-Roe72

    Jack-a-Roe72 Member

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    Brilliant post. This, in essence, is Ron Paul.


    If you can't understand or choose not to understand this platform of equality and freedom, then really, you shouldn't be voting.

    Lady of the Freaks- you have some learning to do. It is YOUR head buried deep in the sand, not ours.

    How dare you tell US that we have our heads buried in sand when you are not willing to resolve your ignorance of Ron Paul's platform of ideals.


    Does that sand taste good?
     
  8. Michael Savage

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    It's undeniable...Ron Paul is/was the ONLY choice for this country. Anything else and we're treading further down the wrong path.
     
  9. zenloki

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    Ron Paul still IS! he hasn't given up his bid to be on the ticket though his campaign has taken a different tack. he's asked people to march in DC and it looks like this is going to happen. so far 13,600 have pledged to march (www.ronpaulmarch.com). his strategy is to have supporting delegates at the convention to elect him so that despite his poor showing in the primaries, he can still be on the november ticket.
     
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