"Legal substitutes" for pshycedelics?

Does anyone know anything about these "legal substitutes" for pshycedelics that are floating around the net? I realize that theyre all blends of legal pshycoactive plants, or just the plants themselves, but do they really have a substantial effect on people? Does anyone have any personal experience with them? They just seem a little gimmicky to me, not the description of the plants or anything, just the names they come up for them. Can anyone comment if they are worth getting or not? Sites like this are what I'm talking about-

http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/productCategory.cfm?iProductCategoryID=768

 

dxm

salvia...

 

Try the synthetic drug forum.

 

Salvia sucks ass. Just utterly unpleasant. Most legal highs are garbage as well. I'm not sure what you're talking about but that link says it all. If you're looking for legal highs that actually work look around at the galaxy blends and spiceworld420.com. Spice Gold too. That's what started it all.

 

What about a lot of the stuff off of iamshaman.com? Obviously, most of the effects wouldn't be as pronounced as LSD or Shrooms, or salvia. But is there still a substantial effect for things like Kratom leaves, or Kanna? I am just wondering because a lot of this stuff, isn't very expensive and while I don't need to have an earth shattering experience, is a dreamlike, chill experience too much to ask from these legal plants and seeds?


I know I have a lot of questions, but I just recently stopped smoking weed and drinking, and have decided to take my substance use to a bit more serious, meditative level. In time, I want to try all the common psychedelic substances (LSD, Shrooms, LSA, etc.), but still want to know if these legal, traditional plants have any real value. All the help on here has been great so far.

 

ive heard iamshaman is good...sounds like amanitas are exactly what u need...lol...dreamlike is part of their definition i think...check out erowid amanitas...i was thinkin about tryin em too so let me kno if u do...also RCs are the shit...2ce especially

 

So you don't like Salvia, thats your opinion, lots of people think LSD is utterly unpleasant that doesn't mean others don't get alot of pleasure from it, just like wioth Salvia. As far as that link (the one the OP posted) goes, it stocks basically the same legal highs as any link out there, some of them some people will enjoy, some some people won't. "That link says it all"? What exactly does that mean? Spice Gold started it all??? Started what exactly, spice gold has been around for a couple of years, the ingredients in it have been around for thousands of years, spice gold (although I do like it) started nothing.

To the OP: Yes there are loads and loads of legal highs that will give very strong effects. You named three of them there, Kratom, Kanna and LSA will all give an effect. San Pedro is ;egal and is capable of giving an experience that will blow any shroom experience out of the water. There are hundreds of unscheduled plants and chemicals that will have you hyped up to the eyeballs, stoned out of your mind or tripping out of control if thats what you are looking for. There are also legal highs that for all the good they do might aswell be cat shit mixed with hamster blood. So research the product/plant/chemical you are interested in and then do the same for the source you are planning on buying it from. Thats all the advice I can give ye.

 

Spice Gold started the legal highs (that actually work). I watched it happen. NOT Entheogens. That's not was I was talking about.

But yes IAS is a great place to order that kind of stuff. I've tried many. Kratom is pretty nice (not psychedelic). As for psychedelics. Amanita muscaria was weird. Couldn't eat much before I just started to gag and nearly puke. It was VERY similar to a 300mg DXM trip. I only ate like 6 grams though. Maybe 7.

If you're looking for awesome legal psychedelics I would suggest Morning Glory or Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose seeds. Lysergic Acid Amides.

 

I have ordered and tried amanitas, hbwr(lsa), kava kava, blue lotus extract, amanita extract smoked, and was gonna try syrian rue.

Dont buy into psychedelic "packs", just go straight to the herb and look up information about it. I wouldnt buy legal herb packs either, except spice gold.

Id say look into lsa and dxm for legal psychedelics. Amanitas are a lot of trouble and the high is only trippy on high doses which are tough to prepare correctly. Al in all regular mushrooms blow them out of the water, unless you take an extremely high dose of amanitas which then are extremely intense. A type of intense i dont think you would want to experience if you are looking for legal psychedelics because illegal ones are too harsh.

Lsa is totally worth it though, it may give nausea to some, but the body high is great with similar visual distortions to lsd.

 

Thanks man, that was helpful. So bascially on IAS, the plants and herbs are quality but anythign being marketed as a "legal alternative to marijuana" is not, correect? It seems that there are so many plants I want to try that aren't in the "mainstream" of entheogens but something like Kratom seems like a good starting point, as I did some research last night. But yeah, IAS seems like a good, quality website that doesn't break the bank.

 

hbw seeds are not worth to me. Made me feel way too wierd. And salvia I got some left and dont even want to smoke it. But if you wanna go the legal route these two should be at the top of the list.

 

Ya, there are alot of links to get legal-ups from ... I personally order from bouncingbearbotonicals...its all good.

 

Any other legal RC suggestions? I moved this here for a day or two. It's headed off to physcedelic plants or whatever soon. There's got to be a legal RC that produces the effects he's looking for...

 

Well in the US pretty much every psychedelic chemical is covered with the Federal Analog Act, so if you get caught with it you're in trouble anyway.

 

MHRB(MimosaHostilisRootBark)- and many others\\and extract DMT thru a very easy process. Use harmala as an MAOI, but be careful and read about what foods NOT to eat when using an MAOI.

SanPedro Cacti/Peruvian- and extract pure mescaline thru another easy process or you can just drink the green cactus juice.

HWB seeds- for an LSA trip(about 1/10 potency of LSD)

Poppy pods- for those who love opiates.

Kratom- too for those who love opiates,but with a lesser tolerance.

SpiceGold- supposedly has an unknown cannabanoid in it, but I have never tried so cant confirm

Thare are so many others. Use google as all of these are legal when used for nonconsumption purposes

Amanita Muscaria- a deliriant which is not for my tastes, but acts like a NMDA antagonist (Ketamine is an NMDA antagonist, but effects arent the same)

Yopo seeds- Easily bought with 5meodmt,DMT, and trace amounts of bufotenin. Seeds are used as snuff in south america

 

Good stuff. Off to exotic plants we go...

 

give salvia a try. its very profound and will alter how you look at things for a few short minutes

 

^ Salvia is a love or hate drug. You either like it, or really don't like it.

 

no arguments on that. Salvia with take you where she pleases, and you cant even struggle against it.

with acid you can lead you thoughts and visions, while salvia lacks that connection.