There's a reason why the 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't going away

What about the 47 column steel cores, which the NIST report ignored (I am referring to the towers here)? You can talk about the trusses all day long, but what destroyed the buildings' cores?

 

Home Grown Terrorist Act is a proof all on its own. Laws were effective enough with out that act, so why add something thats so clearly redundant?

You can't even question the validity of the commission report without risking arrest. It's all very worrying.

Anyone ever notice how just recently Rosie o'Donnel was made out to look like a joke? It all stems from what she has said.

(http://newsbusters.org/node/11950)

Sorry for hijacking thread.

PROCEED

 

There has never been a high rise building that has collapsed like that ever, so no. Is all. You couldn't be more wrong if you were H.R Wrongenstein.

 

There was never a highrise building that collapsed before 9/11. Ever. Period.

Even buildings that burned out of control for days remained standing.

You seem to be unable to grasp that simple fact.

Never before 9/11 had a steel-frame building collapsed from fire. On 9/11 three buildings collapsed (allegedly from fire).

 

correlations well drawn...

relate to the media stranglehold, and the unexplainable public acceptance of such (stop it?)

Relate media influence to the great depression, and the fed reserve...

The countries money and media is in complete control...

Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws. — Mayer Amsched Rothchild, a prominent European banker in the eighteenth century
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Such correlations are always able to be drawn... just takes an open and fearless eye coupled with an ability to accept being incorrect.

 

You too. One subject at a time please.

The NIST report addresses the steel cores which were damaged by the impact of the 757 and further weakened by the fires.

Moreover the NIST papers were anylasis of why the towers collapsed and why the firecodes needed revisioning, not to provide a complete working model of the progressive collapse.

You have also been unable to provide even a glipse of a working alternative hypothesis, frankly because you have no intrest in technical details.

 

Allegedly, WTC was built using beams of less stability than what was recommended.

http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/article_display.html?id=130026

 

Lets not get off the discussion...

We've run through the common QnA, now to the meat and potatoes

You have now conceded no highrise has collapsed like that...

So please explain *precisely* how it collapsed and *why* this was such a unique event... you must be able to if you can hold the legeslations explanation as truth.

 

But how did that wipe out both cores of the buildings entirely, when the damage to the cores was limited to the floors that were impacted? You see, if we are to believe the idea that the fires were hot enough the weaken the steel substantially enough to cause structural failure, we wouldn't have seen the buildings collapse (pulverize) straight down like they did, into the path of MOST (not least) resistance.

 

"Such correlations are always able to be drawn... just takes an open and fearless eye coupled with an ability to accept being incorrect."

Sadly, as soon as you tell people this, they look at you as if you were a loon, instead of openly questioning it and realize that it's a possibility.

My friend one told me, "This system isn't corruptible because it's a representative system"... I pretty much palmfaced after he said that. All systems are corruptible, and just think how few actually run this country. How many congressmen do we have about 600? They say, "well, they are voted for", but you can convince people to vote for you. It's all a little game.

 

A building with completly different construction with different causes of fires, that didn't have a 757 slam into it.

Different buildings will collapse under different circumstances.

Heres some skyskraper collapses from a earthquake in mexico city in 85.

http://nndc.noaa.gov/?http://ols.nn...olstore.prodspecific?prodnum=G01268-CDR-A0001

Happens. And it did on 9/11 too. It's not a common theme, 757s slamming into buildings.

 

Most of the building was empty space. Your insistance that pulverising straight downward was the path of most resistance does not make it so.

The idea of it toppling to one side doesn't even make sense to me. Although we're both clearly laymen on the subject of progressive collapses.

 

I don't think this is all about the validity of how strong the towers were, and what really brought them down. If it happened for exactly the reason they say it did, then that doesn't disprove of an 'inside job', either. Maybe other angles should be explored.

Like how they found one of the terrorists passports... If there is a conspiracy, and I believe there is, then they wouldn't leave such obvious clues, would they? I dunno.

 

That's not true though:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911kevinrryanfired

The steel met UL standards.

 

Hmm, either way it still remains looking suspicious.

If it was built with less than UL standards, then you can they that was perhaps planned beforehand. If it was up to UL standards, then why did it collapse?

 

Approach their perspective with an open mind too... can't shutoff for those that don't agree with you, no matter the convincing it may take, no matter the percieved outcome.

Its all a game, but its a game that we can play! Remind folks how ridiculous it is to even talk about who is getting "the black vote" for hours upon hours ... who cares???? Why should we be concerned about anything but why we are voting this person to represent US, I'm talking all our representatives... the pres is just one person and can't do much of anything alone.

Politics are reserved for the elitists because the people are currently not actively seeking the best person to run this country... to find the right person EVERYONE must carry an open mind and seek out the candidates, not accept the ones they see on TV as who they should vote for... what about the guy who *will* fix things up, but can't put down the millions required for ads?


Exposing folks to such a viewpoint will show them that it exists... it is the way to go, its the logical conclusion... truth has a way of finding its way to people if they seek it.

Bah OCD'n my way into things as predicted... bedtime folks, keep things goin while I'm gone

 

Im not sure about the conspiracy theories, and I wouldnt rule out govt. involvement. But when you think that using youtube as a real research tool is a good idea, and when you think that the internet is the best place to get real information.....I start thinking that there might be a conspiracy theory to make people in this country as stupid as possible and put intellectual faith in youtube and the like...Please don't sell yourself short like that man.

Here is another conspiracy theory...the powers that be want the politically motivated masses to believe in far out conspiracy theories that have no factual ground as the detract from the real issues that they could be focusing their energies towards.

 

You're right. But in all honestly, I really do keep an open mind. I am even skeptical of my self many times. But when someone says a system is immune to corruption... then I really dunno what to say to that person without coming off as a dick. It's just common sense. People are conditioned to think of the system in a certain way.

You're right about the whoe black vote thing... or the party vote "OUR SIDE IS WINNING!". Winning what exactly? Isn't the goal is to make this country better? Like Chris Rock has said, "Be a *%#$ person!".

 

But that would imply that the media feeds us "real issues," when we know that's not true. The media serves soley to deceive people and keep them in a state of apathy. It doesn't serve to inform anyone.

So I would just like to know what "real issues" are, because in most people's mind it would seem like the "real issues" are whatever Brian Williams discusses on the nightly news. If you don't share the same views that are administered by the talking heads on TV, then you're a somehow a "conspiracy theorist."

So "real issues" is a relative term.

 

You make a very good point, and I have thought of that. You can also say they people are putting faith into people the Michael Moore's, et al, and those people may even be a part of it to only further your confusion. In other words, accepting their theories as fact so that you miss the true point of the matter.

But I don't see how thinking about comspiracy theories stops us from thinking about important issues. I find that conspiracy theories help people to think about the ever declining rights in America. Removal of Habeus Corpus, Home Grown Terrorist Act, Patriot Act, etc... Going to wars that make absolutely no sense. Cutting budgets that help poor neighborhoods... less money for our infastructure... George Bush looking into a North American Union. Making muslims the new scapegoats as all of these bad things are happening under our noses... War on Terrorism, and how redundant that is and sounds... Education system sucking ass... I mean. These are the issues that truly matter.