States cracking down on illegal immigration because our Government wont

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Rainbowtoke, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. polecat

    polecat Weerd

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    Um, Rainbowtoke? The problems that you're focusing on (crime, rape, health) are all symptoms of poverty. They're not unique to immigrants.

    On the other hand, I think we shouldn't offer amnesty mainly because it is unfair to the immigrants who tried to enter the country legally. They're disenfranchising those who respect the laws of this country enough to try and work within them.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    You are absolutely right about that. But when you leave the borders open for anyone to come in, you simply take on more of these problems that exist already, which then places an even further strain on the system.

    The thing I don't agree with is blaming the immigrants themselves. They were given a free pass to come here, so it's certainly not their fault. Blaming the immigrants themselves is silly. They are merely scapegoats for the REAL criminals in government, who are using illegal immigration to deliberately bankrupt the economy and wipe out the Middle Class.
     
  3. Rainbowtoke

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    Mexico is POVERTY STRICKEN. What you are failing to understand is it is the immigrants CHOICE to be LEGAL OR ILLEGAL and they are CHOOSING TO BE ILLEGAL. What part of that dont you WANT TO UNDERSTAND?

    FROM ABC NEWS... http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2487004&page=1

    Juan Leonardo Quintero, an illegal immigrant, has been charged with killing a Houston police officer last week after a routine traffic stop.

    Police Chief Harold Hurtt blamed the federal government for failing to secure U.S. borders.

    Quintero allegedly shot Officer Rodney Johnson four times in the head while in handcuffs in the back seat of his patrol car.

    Johnson arrested Quintero during a routine traffic stop for speeding but apparently missed the suspect's gun in a pat-down search.

    Following the shooting, a video showed Houston police officers pulling open the back doors of Johnson's patrol car and yanking the suspect out of the back seat.

    "It's very easy to make a mistake. I am not saying a mistake was made," one Houston police officer said. "Unfortunately, we are in the business where a mistake can kill you."

    The suspect should not have been in the United States.

    Quintero was deported in 2004 after a conviction for indecency with a child.

    "The subject was deported, and yet he came back, so if the government fulfilled their responsibility of protecting the border we would probably not be standing here today," Hurtt said.

    The Houston Police Department has been struggling this year to deal with the influx of Katrina evacuees and an immigration problem that is only getting worse.

    Border Patrol said thousands of illegal immigrants crossed into the United States each month.

    Johnson received a commendation for valor for pulling several children from a burning building.

    He leaves behind a wife who is also a police officer and their five children.
     
  4. Rainbowtoke

    Rainbowtoke Member

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    and this...

    Phoenix police Officer Nick Erfle survived two bouts of cancer to put back on his uniform and patrol the city's streets.

    On Tuesday, a jaywalker shot him in the face and killed him.

    The gunman, an illegal immigrant who had been deported last year, fled after shooting Erfle, commandeering a stopped car at gunpoint and ordering the motorist to drive. About an hour later, a Phoenix police tactical team surrounded Erik Jovani Martinez, 22, on a west Phoenix street and shot him dead as he pointed a gun at the hostage. The hostage was not hurt
     
  5. Rainbowtoke

    Rainbowtoke Member

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    And this...

    INVASION USA
    Illegal aliens murder

    12 Americans daily
    Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total

    U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
    Posted: November 28, 2006
    1:00 am Eastern

    By Joseph Farah
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com



    WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

    Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

    (Story continues below)

    But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

    While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

    A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.

    Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

    King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.

    Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

    As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.

    According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.

    While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.

    In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

    * The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;

    * Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;

    * 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.

    "While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
     
  6. Rainbowtoke

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    [​IMG] [size=-1]INVASION USA[/size]
    [size=+2]Study: 1 million sex crimes by illegals[/size]
    [size=+1]Researcher estimates more than 100 offenders crossing border daily[/size]
    [size=-1]Posted: May 31, 2006
    1:00 am Eastern

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    Deborah Schurman-Kauflin in CNN interview Based on a one-year in-depth study, a researcher estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

    She found that while the offenders were located in 36 states, most were in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California had the most offenders, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York and Florida.



    Schurman-Kauflin concluded that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegals make up a higher percentage than offenders in the general population.

    She arrives at the figure of 240,000 offenders – a conservative estimate, she says – through public records showing about 2 percent of illegals apprehended are sex offenders.

    "This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day," she says.

    She points out the 1,500 offenders in her study had a total of 5,999 victims, and each sex offender averaged four victims.

    "This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study," she declares.

    Schurman-Kauflin breaks down the 1,500 cases reviewed this way:

    • 525, or 35 percent, were child molestations
    • 358, or 24 percent, were rapes
    • 617, or 41 percent, were sexual homicides and serial murders
    Of the child molestations, 47 percent of the victims were Hispanic, 36 percent Caucasian, 8 percent Asian, 6 percent African American and 3 percent other nationalities.

    In 82 percent of the cases, she noted, the victims were known to their attackers.

    "In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims' homes," she says. "Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6."

    In her examination of the sex-related homicides, Schurman-Kauflin found the most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims.

    Not only were victims raped, she said, but some – 6 percent – were mutilated.

    "The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities," she said. "Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing."

    She found it especially disturbing that in 22 percent of all sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants, victims with physical and mental disabilities were targeted.

    The highest number of sex offenders, according to the study, came from Mexico. El Salvador was the original home to the next highest number. Other countries of origin included Brazil, China, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico, Russia, and Vietnam.

    Nearly 63 percent of the offenders had been deported on another offense prior to the sex crime, the study showed. There was an average of three years of committing crimes such as DUI, assault or drug related offenses prior to being apprehended for a sexual offense.

    In 81 percent of cases, offenders were drinking or using drugs prior to offending. Rapists and killers were more likely to use alcohol and drugs consistently than child molesters.

    Only about 25 percent of offenders were found to have been stable within a community. In 31 percent of the crimes, the offenders entered into the communities where they offended within two months of the commission of their sex offenses.

    But many, 79 percent, had been in the U.S. for more than one year before being arrested for a sex crime. They typically were known to the criminal justice system for prior, less serious offenses before they molested, raped or murdered, the study said.

    Schurman-Kauflin concludes illegal immigrants gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported.

    "Those who were deported simply returned illegally again," she says.

    She points out that only 2 percent of the offenders in her study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

    "There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation," she said.
     
  7. Rainbowtoke

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    [​IMG] [size=-1]INVASION USA[/size]
    [size=+2]Illegal alien
    rapes puppy
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    [size=+1]Suspect felt there was no problem,
    claiming animal was his to abuse
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    [size=-1]Posted: June 21, 2006
    7:48 pm Eastern

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    Suspect Enrique Garcia, a.k.a Junio Trenta

    STUART, Fla. – This South Florida community some 90 miles north of Miami is outraged after a suspected illegal alien allegedly raped a puppy.

    The man, who initially told police his name was Junio Trenta but is believed to be Enrique Garcia, was taken into custody after Martin County Sheriff's deputies were dispatched to a possible animal in distress.

    When they arrived, officers "saw Garcia sexually assaulting a 28-pound, 14- to 16-week-old dog of mixed breed," according to the sheriffs office.

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    Upon being seen, the Mexican transient said, "It's my dog," and, "What's the problem?"

    The arrest affidavit indicates the male dog ran and hid behind the deputies.

    Garcia then talked with detectives and admitted only to having the dog in his lap.

    He's now charged with sexual bestiality, animal cruelty, possession of drug paraphernalia, giving a false name and exposure of sexual organs. His bond is $13,000.

    The dog, a 4-month-old Argentine Dogo, is reportedly being cared for by the Humane Society of the Treasure Coast.

    "He's already been evaluated by the vet, and the vet says he's OK and will recover from whatever happened," Humane Society spokeswoman Roberta Synal told the Stuart News. "If he's put in a good foster home, he's going to get lots of love and training."



    In the newspaper's online messageboard, people are commenting on the case, lashing out at the Mexican who also spent 28 days in jail after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor larceny charge last year in Orange County, Fla.:

    "This is the kind of scum that is sneaking into our country with all the 'nice people who just want a better life.' Get real. Send all illegals home, then screen them to see if they qualify to come into America! ... We do not need illegals for anything. (It's all propaganda). Especially, when they think it's OK to do stuff like this. [Garcia] should do everyone a favor, and commit suicide." (Kurt Ploszay)
    "Has anyone considered where he got this puppy? As an 'illegal' piece-of-scum laborer, you're going to tell me he spent his own hard-earned money on purchasing this puppy? Get real! I bet he stole this puppy from someone. I say fly him over Mexico ... and let him jump (without a parachute). Might want to attach a note to his body stating that this is not tolerated in the good ol' U.S. of A. This person will rot in Hell for what he did ... but hopefully he will be someone's 'dog' in jail for a while first!" (Kathy Lecavalier)
    "Ship that sick Mexican back to Mexico. Get rid of all this scourge of the Earth. Deport all illegals immediately and stop spending my tax dollars on these animals." (Elizabeth Yeltnuh)
    <li>"Obviously doing a job that most Americans won't do." (Terry Wright) One reader took the Stuart News to task for avoiding use of the term "illegal alien" in its coverage of the story:

    <li>"I assume that the story's comment "Trenta, a Mexican citizen working as a laborer, ... " is your paper's new euphemism for illegal alien?" (Steve Breitenbach)
     
  8. Rainbowtoke

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    Now Is The Time For People To Pull Their Heads Out Of Their Asses And See That This Is A Real Problem.
    What Part Of " Its The Immigrants Choice To Be Legal Or Illegal" Dont You Want To Understand. Get A Fuckin Clue.
    Here Is A Quote That Fits Some Folks Here Quite Well...

    Aristophanes, Greek comic/playright:

    Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated and drunkenness sobered but stupid lasts forever…
     
  9. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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  10. Rainbowtoke

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    What a moronic statement...
     
  11. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Good grief, those posts are horrendous to attempt to read.

    Most of them are from WorldNetDaily, a neo-conservative hogwash network of the monopoly game put out as NEWS!

    *yawns*
     
  12. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    It's conservative, but i wouldn't consider it be neo-.
     
  13. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    It's half neo/half paleo.
     
  14. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    I really dislike WND. It makes my eyes bleed.
     
  15. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    let's not forget that illegal immigrants are helping to bankrupt our hospitals.

    when illegals come into the hospital needing emergency care, all that added strain from patients not having health insurance and unable to pay really add up.

    My dad is an electrician at the only local trauma center, and the layoffs have been going on for years and the hospital is in a financial crisis due to all the uninsured patients coming in (illegal aliens).
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    never mind the fact that there are at least 46 million red blooded americans who are uninsured using those same hospitals and never mind the fact that a ever increasing number of insured in americas policys are completely worthless,.. lets blame the illegals for it .

    makes total sense to me..
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Wasn't NAFTA supposed to fix all this?
     
  18. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    it makes perfect sense. How can you not realize that an increased number of people equals an increased strain on the facility? They are at their breaking point.

    And why do you keep paralleling the illegals to americans? It's america, it doesn't matter. Americans have their problems, but at least they are american problems. not problems that shouldn't even be in the country. Hence the term illegal aliens.
     
  19. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    They can't both be legitmate issues that need addressed?
     
  20. Rainbowtoke

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    The truth hurts dosen't it! lol...

    While I agree that WND isn't the best example, these news stories and thousands just like them can be found at all the "reputable" news outlets also.
     

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