No More Selling America!

Being a born and raised Kentucky hillbilly myself, and living my whole life in rural Appalachia, I can tell you that is exactly what is going on right now.

The people are being forced off thier land in favor of rich politicians and corporate business. The trees are falling, the farmlands being buried under concrete.

The native Appalachian people- the hillbillies (which is a term we do not view as derogitory, btw in fact it is used with a sense of pride), the farmers, the poor, the elderly, all rural people are being opressed under the banners of beutification; economic development, property value, etc. The theory being that if you can steal some land from some poor people, evict them from their native soil, you can then replace them with wealthy business men and corporate establishments owned by wealthy business men.

Your'e right. We all get screwed in the end. However, I am one of the few actually taking a stand against rural gentrification. If enough people band together or at least take stands on their own, we can at least put up a decent fight against the opressors.

 

We're seeing that shit up here in the Northeast, too, 'seems like everyone needs to "own" their piece of the woods, it's too much effort to hike in and pitch a tent like the rest of us.

 

Yeah, that stuff has been going on up North for a long time. You guys had the problem before we did. Today it seems like its going on everywhere and its everybody's problem anymore.

 

Demagoguery doesn't benefit anybody. You sound like a poor man's version of Karl Lueger.

 

Wait until we start selling carbon offsets on the open market and we all stand by because supposedly we are forestalling global warming.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528

Hail the Nobel Laureate!

 

Don't let this global warming hysteria result in a speculative futures market.

 

Somebody's obviously cashing in on it.

 

Maybe this will explain that it's already happening.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200703/NAT20070307a.html

 

While we watch our food prices and gas go up many are sitting by watching their bank accounts go up and chuckling.

 

But we are all too stupid to see that they made a new market whereby they can reap profits while raping the rest of us. We are private citizens as well.

 

I find it ludicrous that "environmentalists" like Gore are selling energy alternatives without advocating the only obvious viable long term solution, which is to cut down on energy consumption. Obviously they're not leading by example, they're merely transferring the problem, while profiteering from it. In some ways these "environmentalists" are worse than the oil men, because of their hypocrisy.

 

The credit system is by far the most economically effective. And, when implemented properly, it works amazingly well.

Look at how SO2 emmissions have gone down in the US; its the direct cause of an emmissions trading system.

Not that a Carbon Emmissions trading system has been properly implemented, but scoffing at the idea is particularly ignorant.

 

Wouldn't enforcing the antipollution laws, do as much, without creating a get rich market for speculators? As a taxpaying citizen I wasn't aware that we were already actively trading emissions. Is this something we aren't supposed to be aware of? And how is selling our unused offsets to polluting countries such as China so that they can continue to pollute going to save the plant.

Economically efficient for whom? You want to legislate the type of light bulbs the consumer can buy, tell us we have to dump our vehicles when they don't pass smog, and soon we will have to dump all those old tvs and pay for the privelege, but business can buy and sell their right to pollute.

We were told NAFTA was going to improve the environmental standards of Mexico...I am still waiting for that to happen.

Now we aren't just selling our nation and it's jobs and resources, we are selling the right to pollute the world to the highest bidder. But we should remember that it's economically efficient....???

Ever consider that we produce less SO2, because we manufacture less here in the states? I know here in my part of California all but one of our mills have closed, and the equipment sold to overseas buyers. They were our largest most important employers. No wonder our air is clearer. And now I find out they also got rich by selling their offsets.

 

Carbon emissions trading is just a lame excuse for "environmentalists" like Gore to continue to consume exhorbitant amounts of energy. It's better than nothing, but in the long run, cutting back on consumption is the only sustainable solution.

The cost of responsible disposal of a product should be part of the cost of the product. This would encourage manufacturers to use more earth-friendly materials, and develop more efficient ways to recycle those products.

 

I will explain this all in more detail, with historical references and citations, and pretty little graphs I draw myself to help explain why a Cap and Trade system is better Command limit.

 

I consider myself an advocate for renewable energy. I have to tell you that the problem is just as you stated, usage needs to go down. But with that being said, society is fueled by greed and material posessions. When you talk to someone about renewable their first knee jerk response is that they can't watch their tv.

They are usually surprised to know that you can run everything you currently have on an off-grid system. I do not go without but I choose to keep my electrical demand down.

If we all used a renewable source for our energy, wouldn't need to cut back as much because there is no shortage of wind or sun. So it really isn't hypocritical to sell the concept in a cake that society can swallow and get on board, then lets talk about usage.

Oh and carbon credits are stupid. It is a way to make rich people feel better and brag to their friends that the did it.