4,000 US dead in Iraq is a complete lie (try 70,000)

The number is much higher than that. The 4,000 dead is the number that died IN IRAQ. You don't hear about those who are sent out of the country for treatment, to places like Germany, who later died because of their injuries. The government via their lapdog media uses bogus numbers to deceive the public, making things look better than they are.

Let's be real here folks. The real number of US deaths is around 70,000. These are not my numbers, but the government's numbers.

Do you think those of have died from exposure to tainted vaccines and depleted uranium are among the bogus 4,000 number they're giving us? No, the 4,000 comes from the people who were either shot dead or killed in roadside bomb attacks IN IRAQ.

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http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/03/21/02286.html

Over 70,000 deaths, and over 1 million disabilities among American soldiers attributed to Iraq Wars says U.S. government data

by Peter Tremblay and Libertyforlife.com researchers



According to U.S. media reports, there are well below 5,000 U.S. soldiers who have been killed in Iraq. However, this data appears to be very misleading. Why? Because many tens of thousands of American soldiers have apparently been killed to-date, as a result of being exposed to radiation poisoning from the indiscriminate killing machines of U.S. military weaponry. Ironically, the only Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) that Americans soldiers have found in Iraq are "Made in America".

U.S. investigative researchers have discovered an official U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs official, but not well publicized count, of 73,846 U.S. soldiers who have perished as an apparent result of Depleted Uranium based bio-chemical warfare exposure. This exceeds an estimate of 58,000 U.S. soldiers who had been killed in relation to the Vietnam War.

Well over 200,000 American soldiers could be killed by 2010, as a result of the after effects of exposure to U.S. dirty bombs.

Over One million U.S. soldiers have apparently been disabled from Depleted Uranium based biochemical exposure. Over one million Iraqis have also been documented to have been killed.

This is what the U.S. ruling elite including U.S. President George W. Bush and U.S. Republican Presidential candidate John McCain calls a "success". How many sons and daughters of the American ruling class have been sent in harms way of the apparent biological warfare that is being perpetrated in Iraq? Not to many, huh? The Iraq War is a class-and-racial-inspired war that is being masqueraded into being about fighting "extremists" and "terrorists". The Iraq War is an extension of brutality by the prevailing elites of the global capitalist system, that the 9/11 Truth Movement has accused to be the ultimate perpetrators of 9/11. Indeed, ruling elites are the only group that could pull off the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City which engineers have represented to be specifically designed to withstand being hit simply by aeroplanes. Investigative scholarly researchers who include Dr. David Ray Griffin, present critical evidence of a technologically sophisticated military planning associated with 9/11, including a 'Controlled Demolition', that could in no way be executed by the alleged Muslim perpetrators. More than 1,820 tons (3-million, 640 thousand pounds) of radioactive nuclear waste uranium were exploded into Iraq alone in the form of armour piercing rounds and bunker busters, representing the worlds worst man made ecological disaster ever. 64 kg of uranium were used in the Hiroshima bomb. The very broad human and ecological disaster of the Iraq War has been drowned out by America's sound-bite driven media organizations, that are owned by the same fascist clique which presides over the Iraq War.



The apparent use of these dirty bombs, could be perceived to a categorical Crime Against Humanity, both against the Iraqi people, and military personnel. Indeed, there are far more people getting killed from these dirty bombs than the alleged terrorist targets of U.S. military propaganda.

The fascist clique that is presiding over the Iraq War, clearly seeks to perpetrate widespread Eugenics inspired depopulation of Iraq.

Millions of Iraqis could be killed as a result of contamination from the use of U.S. "strategic" "mini nuclear bombs". It is apparent that a Eugenics-inspired megalomaniacal fascist clique seeks to further make Iran a toxic nuclear wasteland.


The use of these dirty bombs demonstrates that the War in Iraq is not simply about "going after terrorists", but rather, is the apparent premeditated execution of Crimes against Humanity. The kind of demonic intelligence that is associated with such a Crime against Humanity is consistent with the kind of criminal profile associated with what critically acclaimed author Dr. David Ray Griffin labels as the ultimate perpetrators of 9/11.


What kind of socio-pathetic milieu would seek to inspire jingoistic patriotism in statements about military personnel "defending the Homeland" while wilfully exposing them to the toxic by-products of radiation poisoning?

Libertyforlife.com researchers document: "What the government is doing is only counting the soldiers that die in action on the ground before they can get them into a hummer, helicopter or ambulance. Any soldier who is shot but they get into a vehicle before 'the die' is not counted."

"Uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill not only the soldier but family members as well" are further cited documents in Libertyforlife.com.

Libertyforlife.com also adds that more than 1,820 tons of radio active nuclear waste uranium were exploded into Iraq alone in the form of armour piercing rounds and bunker busters (also known as dirty bombs), representing the worlds worst man made ecological disaster, over the 64 kg of uranium that was used in the Hiroshima bomb.

"The U.S. Iraq Nuclear Holocaust by mass, represents between fourteen and twenty eight thousand Hiroshima’s from a uranium poisoning perspective. In Hiroshima 70 thousand died from the blast and 70 thousand died from uranium poisoning."

"The nuclear waste the U.S. has exploded into the Middle East will continue killing for billions of years and could wipe out a third of life on earth.

Winds can and will blow the uranium dust from the U.S. weapons around the world. Gulf War Veterans and civilians who have ingested the uranium will continue to die off from uranium poisoning over a number of decades."

"So far, more than one million people have been slaughtered and four million are homeless as a consequence of the U.S.'s illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Birth defects are up 600% in Iraq – the same will apply to U.S. Veterans children."

When depleted uranium nuclear waste in the form of a "dirty bomb" is blown up or released into the atmosphere it has the potential of killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. Well it turns out that instead of storing the nuclear waste from power plants in proper and very expensive storage facilities, the apparent neo-fascists who have taken over America, have been machining the depleted uranium into dirty bombs in the form of armour piercing bullets.

Libertyforlife.com researchers critically add: "That’s right, those tanks you saw exploding into flame, as our troops invaded other nations, were being hit with dirty bombs. You were actually witnessing "mini atomic bombs" as the uranium armour piercing rounds made out of nuclear waste called ‘Depleted Uranium’ or ‘DU’ hits it's target."

"It turns out the uranium from nuclear waste is very dense and possesses pyrophoric properties. That is, it bursts into flame releasing an explosion of heat so intense when the DU bullet hits the armour, it literally melts through armour, " further documents Libertyforlife.com

Many American soldiers have been literally fried from the intense radio energy released from the mini DU atomic explosions.

"Now our boys in the military have not been firing just one or two of these dirty bomb bullets and bunker busters, they have been letting loose a hail of death. In Iraq alone during the two invasions, more than one thousand eight hundred and twenty tons of Depleted Uranium dirty bomb bullets and bombs were blasted into that innocent nation," further documents Libertyforlife.com investigative researchers.

Astonishingly, Libertyforlife.com researchers also document, because most Americans watch TV, many still think Iraq had something to do with blowing up the three large World Trade center buildings and the Pentagon. Otherwise they try to suggest that Saddam Hussein had it coming because he murdered the Kurds with the helicopters we provided, the year we gave him a billion dollars.

Now if 64 kg of uranium can poison seventy thousand people. How many people will two thousand tons kill? The numbers are staggering, that’s more than twenty eight thousand Hiroshima’s. Forty percent of the Gulf War veterans are on “Gulf War Syndrome” disability from uranium poisoning. Seventy Three thousand of them have already died.

Every time that U.S troops (and "coalition soldiers) fires depleted uranium against "enemy targets" in Iraq, they are also being exposed to radiation poisoning that is much more intense than the radioactive by-products associated with the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima to end World War II in the Pacific.

The U.S. War on Iraq both represents an apparent Eugenics inspired genocide against perceived "lesser breeds" of U.S. combat troops largely made up of African Americans and "poor whites" as well as Muslim infidels. Eugenics seems to be the driving motivation of the U.S. religious-political-military-industrial complex agenda against Iraq. In the apparent view of the architects of the Iraq War, the use of "dirty bombs" accomplishes an apparent depopulation agenda which "frees up more resources" for the "racially superior" self-anointed rulers of our planet Earth. The Iraq War seems to be an attempt to fulfill in the Middle East the Eugenics inspired military expansionist goals that Adolf Hitler had.

 

wow,, the only reason i find this story hard to believe is because i cant believe that outta that many casualties theres not been a group of family members come out and question the mainstream medias numbers..

i mean theres a big difference between 4,000 and 74,000. you would think some group of someone directly related would have already questioned the numbers the main stream media is using..

beyond that its radiation poisining,.. how are they keeping these families quiet?

i know america has become a nation of sheeple,,but this one doesn't make sense..

 

Yeah, but if it's not being reported then how is anybody really going to know?

If they can lie to us about the number of Iraqi dead, then they can just as easily lie about the American dead.

Whether the 74,000 number is accurate or not, we know the number of US troops dead is well over 4,000, simply because if you die outside of Iraq a day or two later, you're not even included in the death toll. The only people included in the death toll are the ones who basically die right there on the spot.

I mean, even when you hear them report it on the news, they'll say "3 US troops died in a roadside bombing in Iraq today." You'll never hear them say this or that soldier died from an attack that occurred last week. They don't even include those people.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/23/national/main3960678.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3960678

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Yeah, and I wonder how many stories like this don't even get reported.

 

Um, it clearly says "Gulf War Veteran Fatalities".

In the second Foodnote of the first source, it even says:

In addition, the data will not reflect deaths that occurred after July 2007

When a lot of intense warfare and casualty death tolls in Iraq had been happening throughout the months of October-November of '07 and recently in February. Then the footnotes cites a journal article in 2001, all for the same supposed "Veteran" classification.

I don't really understand what I'm seeing, ya know?

 

Yes, it includes BOTH wars.

It includes that deaths starting with the first gulf war in '91, to the current war, as of July '07.

 

I really love this sentence:

But I need something to back it up. If this article says that it's government backed info, then I need to see the nuclear waste handling exposed.

I'm sorry, but I haven't heard about this at all, whatsoever. Is there any estimate to back up this article's claims about the soldiers being exposed to uranium barrels? Because it was always my understanding from what I've read, they never found any substantial nuclear substances on the grounds of the accused factories and facilities, whatsoever.

I would very much like to see where these supposed radioactive chemicals came from, and when, if anyone knows about this. I'm curious as hell. I thought it was all a facade until this article, which I'm still skeptical to trust.

 

Are you living under a rock? I mean, seriously? I hate to sound mean, but jesus, are you telling me that depleted uranium is smething you've never heard of? This should be common knowledge to everyone. Do you even know what depleted uranium is and how it's being released into the air?

 

Well, I'm not trying to be difficult, but it would be nice if they actually broke it down into those years in their graphs.

I don't want to sound daft by saying this, but the involvment in Kuwait in '91 as well as the number of deployed troups involved is a different situation and seperate occupational and/or combative military personnel force from April '08 in Iraq. You know what I mean?

 

So this is both wars, but not divided into which war? Plus plenty of the veterans from the first one could have died of totally unrelated causes. How do you know that most of those veteran deaths weren't from the first one Gulf War, which they probably are?

 

LOL. I've heard what it is, but I haven't seen any viable coverage on the actually evidence of what American soldiers have found in Iraq.

Mmkay? That's what I was asking.

Yeesh. You think I'd get enough of American news and such. I mean, you'd assume that the mainstream media would be all over the fact they they found vast amounts of enriched uranium like Mr. Powell was harping about before he resigned.

Anyway, I haven't heard about it. Sue me for living "under my rock" and my nose in my books on Flaubert. Yeesh. No need to be so touchy, Matt. I honestly want to learn more about the subject.

 

No, numbskull, it's from BOTH wars. Learn how to read.

 

Oh my god...

You have no idea what depleted uranium is, do you?

The US military is using it in their ammunition because it penetrates concrete and steel. When the rounds explode, DU is released into the air, which is then breathed into people's lungs.

 

if it's from both and there's no division how do you know that most of those veteran deaths weren't formt he first one? How many of those are from iraq?

 

Read what the second .gif says in post #2.

 

Yar, I understand that. I know and understand what that is.

But I don't understand why I haven't heard about this whole spin on the article you posted:

The article compares the amounts to the Hiroshima atrocity.

What I'm interested in, is something else to back this up. I have no knowledge of this. Please don't lose your patience with me yet, I am very eager to understand and learn what you're trying to say and what this article has brought forth.

I'm making some pizza, do you want some Matt?

 

There is a lot of information about DU out there. Just do a Google search. The reason you're not hearing about it in the media, which is owned by the military-industrial complex, is because they won't report anything that is going to affect them too negatively. If people knew about DU and how it's affecting people, the outcry would likely be much more than what it is currently. As a matter of fact, there is an excellent documentary about this called 'Beyond Treason', which is worth taking the time to watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Treason

"We are living through another Hiroshima," Iraqi doctor says

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13637

 

I read it again and still see that there is no distinction made between which Persian Gulf War or Wars they are talking about. It just says that they are keeping track of how many veterans die to track their use of health care and pension. This leads me to believe that this is only about those who served in the first Gulf War

I also found these numbers from the first gulf war here http://home.att.net/~vetcenter/va-stats.htm


They look about the same (only slightly lower) as the tables included in your posts, so even if the iraq war is included in those numbers you posted, how do those veterans constitute anything near a majority of those figures?

Edit: the table isn't showing up correctly so I've removed it, but the numbers are on that site if you want them. The main thing I was looking at was that the total service members was 5,516,217, which is almost all of the 6 million something total from your posts.

So where do you get that 74,000 veterans have died after leaving Iraq of war related reasons?

I'm not saying that the gov't doesn't present skewed statistics to the public, in fact I'm sure it does. I just don't feel like this information represents the point you're trying to make.