The Sanctuary is a joke

It has to do with logic.


If an atheist defined themselves as "a person who holds the belief that God or Gods do not exist", then by the very nature of their own definition, their belief rest on a positive claim.

Theists' beliefs also rest on a positive claim.

According to logic, whoever makes a positive claim bears the "burden of proof", meaning that it is up to that person to prove that their claim is valid.

If an atheist says that God does not exist, that person is speaking foolishly. There is no way to prove a universal negative, as there is no way to be at everywhere at the same time. For all we know, the flying spaghetti monster REALLY DOES exist.

So basically, after some fancy footwork and tricky wording, the "intelligent" atheist has defined himself/herself in such a way that they can belittle your beliefs all they want, without having to defend or justify their beliefs at all.

It isn't intelligent to me. It's simply dancing.


Hope that made sense.

 

That did make sense.

Thanks for that

 

"I don't believe in no gods"

haha. burden is off me now.

(PS- please note this post was in jest and was not intended to place burden of proof on anyone other than believers)

 

Strong and weak athiests. I know there are no gods. I do not believe in gods. A slight difference that some feel makes a huge difference.

 

to me it's pretty much the same thing.

how would a person not derive knowledge from their beliefs?

 

Well to be fair, I don't think i can know a god truly 100% exists. I can believe one does, but knowledge is something else. This kinda tes in with a question i posted in the Sanctuary, but can someone know they are saved?

 

You're the paraniod one... sheesh...

I know what I believe... but for all you know, we could be in the freaking Matrix...

This thread is excellent proof why the Sanctuary was created... so Christians can spend more time discussing their beliefs, not fighting to have some place to do so.

I'm all for every religion forum having an individual sanctuary.

 

yeah.

notice she never took up my challenge.

oh well...

 

sounds an aweful lot like how all christains are not the same and what some of them have mended the religion to say, to borrow your term, is bullshit. Every Christian is different and some will argue there are many sects inside of the religion.

 

OMG... do the words divide and conquer mean anything to you people?

WAKE UP!

~!ONE UNIVERSE, ONE WORLD, ONE LOVE!~

 

I don't think "some argue" that, but that it is accepted that Christianity is a religion dominated by sects.

Some people speak of Christianities rather than Christianity.

 

According to Christians this man is burning in hell:

~Namaste~

As defined by Mahatma Gandhi: In India when people meet and part they often say, Namaste' which means: "I honor the place within you where the entire Universe resides; I honor the place within you of love, of light, of truth, of peace; I honor the place within you, where, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us."

I'm sorry after reading this I have a hard time to believe a man that formulated something this eloquent and was operating on this kind of social intellect as someone who is hell bound.

Let's face it I can go through gospel and pump out about 20 jesus quotes that say the same thing just worded differently... how much will it take for people to realize there is something very profound going on here and that there is alot more then meets the eye.

 

According to which Christians?

 

You pwnd that line. Nice.

Yes, which christians? Of whom do you speak?

You realize, generalizations like that are as stupid as saying "All Muslims are terrorists". Broad, generalized statements about an entire group of people = a massive showing of a lack of use of intellect.

I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just saying, you're not using your brain to its full capacity.

Anthrax put it quite well:
"Think, before you speak, or suffer for your words."

I'm mildly buzzed at the moment. It carried over from two days ago. Wow.

Anyway, I'm out for now... When somebody hits on another seriously relevant point, I'll jump back in.

 

All Americans are republicans.

 

I can see why there is a separate forum for Christians only. There isn't as much religious bashing on any other religious forum as there is on the Christian Forum. I would have much rather used the word "debate," but I refuse to believe that phrases such as "deal with it" and "get over it" should be used in a debate. I understand that people don't agree with the Christian message and completely don't agree with what evils Christianity has done though out the years which I'm sure most Christians today will frown upon the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition, but I don't understand why one would rub this in a Christian's face.

Furthermore, of all religions, why Christianity? I don't see a lot of bashing of Vishnu in the Hinduism forum or of Elohim in the Judaism forum. I mean, I understand the belief of a "Jewish Zombie" is the only way to Heaven is a tall tell for people that are not of that faith, but isn't the belief that one is reincarnated or the belief of Muhammad being a prophet enough to persecute those religions as well and flood their forum with religious bashing threads?

I understand that Christians get really annoying with "JEEZUS," but as long as they keep it in their own designated forum, isn't it justified? If I ask you to open a can of beans, do you expect to find carrots or if I ask you to open a history book, do you find mathematics? Then why would one go to the Christian Forum but expect or even want to hear about Christian stories, ideas, and beliefs? The idea is Ridiculous.

Also, if one were to browse the topics of the forums, you have a place to talk about Judaism, a place to talk about Buddhism, but a place to talk about Christianity's History or a place to discuss Christianity WITHOUT doctrine quotes. A Christian is asked to defend his/herself in a religious bashing thread without a shred of their faith.

What if a Christian were to ask a question about their own religion in this thread without the Sanctuary? They would most likely get a bunch of replies with each one having its own unique way of saying "Your God is a joke!" which is a form of spam in itself as it is an unsolicited electronic message. And all this goes on while the Christians don't feel like they can say anything without getting B& Hammer.

This is why the Sanctuary is needed. Christians want a place to talk to their fellow Christians about issues in Christianity and not receive slander. They want a forum of their own just like Buddhists have the Buddhism Forum or Pagans have the Paganism Forum.

 

Nice post all in all.

It does seem that Christianity deals with more hate and intolerance than it ever created.

 

Thanks. I really appreciate your understanding.

 

How do you firgure that?

 

Over generalizing.

Making a point about how people can say "All Christians are X", and the fallacy of that statement.