Government buying up emergency food supplies

so dilligaf is a member of a survivalist forum and she ran across this post today there.
i found it disturbing as yesterday there was a post on the same forums about another bulk food company having a "major announcement" tomorrow and it would seem to insinuate may 18 they will be out of stock as well..
if anyone is interested in discussing this i can have dilligaf dig up the other posts that have the E mail copy and some other links to articles pertaining to this..

what is our government hiding from us now?? does this concern you?

 

hhb wernt you also warning about a comming ice age just a few weeks ago?

no refferences its all alarmist conspiracy crap

not sayin it woudd surprise me if its true but you tend to post alotta stuff likethi with no real backup but your own paranoia







i bet the same kinda paranoid rantings have been all over the survivalists forums for 20 years

lets have a lil facts before u attempt ot to cause pannic

 

ok,cool.,

i feel its worthy of investigation and discussion as well. i mean being the united nations is warning of global food riots and knowing farmers are selling there stock off in huge numbers etc.

it do make ya wonder dont it?

shes cooking dinner but ill have her dig it up ASAP. theres actually 4 or 5 discussions going on there all basically on the same subject as these people are "survivalists" an times aint lookin to good.
so that bein said, there forums aint set up like here and i havent a clue how to track them down lol..
so as soon as she gets time ill do as much as i can to help..

i wonder if its just due to the "global food crisis" an there shipping it all to where the riots are or if its something more sinister like its being divided out between the government officials to lock away in there safe houses as that was also discussed.

seems 3 weeks ago congress had another closed door session and supposedly that was one of the subjects..

i dunno.. she will find it all an ill post the info when i can..

 

soaring eagle, if you think the global food shortage and the riots that are now in 33 countries and the fact that the EU and the UN are warning of "GLOBAL FOOD SHORTAGES" is a conspiracy,, then i guess thats your right..

im not quite sure how you can come to that conclusion,,but its your right all the same..

i think it warrants paying attention to especially when bulk food companies are being bought out by the united states government..

 

wow,, so heres a sample of what mountain house has left after the supposed pillaging by the government..

http://www.mtnhse.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=M&Category_Code=MHCDL

 

Alas, Babylon.

 

ok heres the e mail i was speaking of i admit its not quite as doom and gloom as i remembered it.still doesnt look good.

hang on she bombarded me with information lol..

are you wanting information on the food shortage and the governments involvement as a whole or just on if in fact they are buying up food stocks?

i suppose ya could call the folks that the person spoke to and ask them yourself,,hell ya may even interview the person if it turns out true..
seems the simplest way to know for sure. he gave the name of the company in the OP i put up.

lemme sift through and find what i feel is relevant an ill post it as i find it,, it may take a day or two lol.. .

 

there is no global food shortage theres a global inteligence shortage
simply reducijng or eliminating the meat industry would solve the food supplky problems globaly

 

that was 1 store too if u click th link at th top u see other venders are not sold out

 

seems to be crumbling now dont it??

 

another e mail.

 

interesting,, most all the links are already broken.. good thing they posted the info..

this is a interesting article..

 

the more you read the more you believe that the government really did buyup all the food stockpiles from those companies.

seems to me the "food crisis" is much worse than what there letting on,,or there making it worse...

 

seems to me any way it goes its on our governments shoulders...

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=346939

Thursday 17th April, 2008

Action need as food riots escalate
Editorial - Arab News Thursday 10th April, 2008

Anyone who has any doubt about just how interdependent the world has become should look at the food riots in Haiti and Egypt.

They may be half a world apart but they are the same riots, triggered for the same reason — record world prices for staple foods. The same riots have also occurred in Cameroon, in Mauritania, in Ivory Coast and elsewhere in West Africa. In southern Yemen, tanks were deployed in several towns after protesters took to the streets to vent their anger at soaring prices — wheat up 100 percent, rice and vegetable oil up 20 percent.

There have been riots too in West Bengal, India and in Mexico. There have been strikes in Argentina; there is a strike in Burkina Faso; there are shortages in Venezuela and there has even been a pasta boycott in Italy to draw attention to rocketing prices. In Saudi Arabia, people have experienced the problem of soaring prices.

A primary cause of those sky-high prices for bread, maize, rice, meat, dairy products and the like is the soaring price of oil. The high price of oil has forced up transport and other production costs. The price is being paid by the world’s poorest people — people such as the Haitians and the Egyptians. It has also encouraged farmers, particularly in the US that provides 70 percent of the world’s maize exports, to divert from food production into biofuel crops. With at least a 20 percent drop in maize supplies (maize being a major animal feed), this diversion has further pushed up meat and dairy prices.

The situation is extremely serious. Six months ago, the head of the UN’s Food and Agriculture Agency, Jacques Diouf, said that he would not be surprised if rising prices triggered food riots. Even he, though, must be surprised at their extent — and unless something is done they are going to spread, particularly in Africa where, according to the FAO, 21 countries face a food crisis. Worldwide the figure is 36. There is a real risk that governments will fall and political unrest may mutate into intercommunal violence as protesters seek scapegoats for their fury.

The easy answer in the face of what is expected to be a continuation of soaring prices is price controls, as Russia has done. But Russia, with its oil income and massive food production can afford to do that. Poor countries, dependent on ever more expensive food imports cannot. They cannot afford to subsidize such imports. The result is that the number of the world’s starving is going to increase substantially.

We live in a global village. So we need to face this issue of food prices. It is not something that any one country can deal with alone. A global response to a global problem, causing global pain, is required — not in a year or so — but immediately. If there have to be subsidies for the world’s poorest, it may be that a special international fund needs to be set up.

 

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/04/12/18492403.php?printable=true

How Far is the US From Food Shortages and Food Riots?by Monica Davis ( davis4000_2000 [at] yahoo.com )
Saturday Apr 12th, 2008 2:37 PM

Even the United States is not immune from the potential for food shortages, food riots and food insecurity. We’re just blind to the possibility.​

As Americans complain over high gasoline and food prices, many third world countries are experiencing food riots over price and scarcity of food. In some parts of the word rice is so expensive that it is transported in heavily guarded convoys and farmers guard their fields from thieves.

Food riots are becoming more common, as more land and crops are being diverted from the food chain by the world biofuels industry. According to an investment magazine, the crisis shows no signs of weakening. Food, the bread of life, is fast becoming the “gold” of the Twenty-first century.

Fatal food riots in Haiti. Violent food-price protests in Egypt and Ivory Coast. Rice so valuable it is transported in armoured convoys. Soldiers guarding fields and warehouses. Export bans to keep local populations from starving. (Globalinvestor.com)

The face of food security is rapidly changing around the world and there are no quick fixes experts say. What worries many is that food stockpiles are at historic lows. In the United States alone,
stockpiles of wheat hit a 60-year low in the United States as prices soared. Almost all other commodities, from rice and soybeans to sugar and corn, have posted triple-digit price increases in the past year or two. (Ibid)

Experts say the high prices will continue for years, putting billions of people at risk for malnutrition or starvation. World leaders continue to cast fearful eyes at the burgeoning bio-fuels industry, noting that the competition generated by the industrial biofuels industry and food agriculture is pushing up food prices and making it more profitable to grow fuel crops for industrialized countries than it is for big farmers in Third World countries to grow food for their own citizens.

What has put many world leaders on notice is the fact that this artificially generated food crisis has not yet peaked. As of this writing, no one knows when the situation will reach a crescendo, or to what extent this demand will affect food security and political stability in the world.
Many believe that the food crisis is in its infancy and they worry about increasing food-based political instability worldwide.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said this week he's worried that ethanol production is pushing up food prices everywhere, and he called for an urgent review of the issue. Economist Dr. Hazell has said that filling an SUV tank once with ethanol consumes more maize than the typical African eats in a year. (Ibid)

So far, Americans have been able to weather the storm. While rising fuel and food prices have generated grumbling from the populace and hand wringing from the politicians, this country has yet to experience the level of social unrest and rioting that high food prices have generated in other parts of the world.

In Haiti, ongoing instability and riots over food prices has led to the probable ousting of the nation’s Prime Minister. Newswires are reporting “A Haitian senator says that parliament has voted to dismiss Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis following deadly riots over rising food prices.” (Wire services)


A few analysts believe that the United States is on the verge of a major economic revolution, a process, which will change where we live, what we eat, and how we view agriculture. Looking at the rumbles from around the world we are already seeing wars over oil and energy resources, not to mention the violent eviction of traditional farmers in South America and other parts of the world by the industrialized bio-fuels industry.

The fight over finite land resources is slowly taking shape out of sight of most of the United States as agribusinesses lay claim to land around the world. Agro-conglomerates chase natives off tribal lands in South America, Indonesia and parts of the Far East at gunpoint. Murder over land continues in the Third World, as conglomerates move onto jungle and rain forest land, clearing acreage with slash and burn campaigns.

What was once climate producing tropical rain forest has become fields for sugar cane, corn and other biofuels. More profitable biofuel crops have now deprived the food chain of a large supply of corn and other crops, driving up the cost of corn-based food such as corn meal, tortillas, corn syrup and a hundred other crops and products which grace our tables at ever greater cost.

The food riots in Haiti are mirrored by riots in parts of Africa and Asia, sending shock waves throughout the Third World. According to a report from the United Nations, the 60 per cent price increase in the price of corn and feedstock over the past two years can be directly traced to the increased demand on corn and soybeans made by the biofuels industry. The United States, as the world’s largest exporter of corn, has diverted millions of pounds of corn and soybean crops to the growing biofuels industry, creating a market that makes fuel crops more profitable than food crops. National surpluses of grains have give way to increased demand for biofuels, driving up the price of corn and grains around the world. (World Bank)

Traditional food crops—rapeseed, maize (corn), palm and soybean are in demand by both food agriculture and the growing biofuels industry, creating an increased competition, which is driving up food costs by double digits, generating food riots around the world. Thai farmers and other farmers are now guarding rice crops, as skyrocketing grain prices are leading to crop theft and food riots around the world. According to international reports:

Rice farmers here (Thailand) are staying awake in shifts at night to guard their fields from thieves. In Peru, shortages of wheat flour are prompting the military to make bread with potato flour, a native crop. In Egypt, Cameroon, and Burkina Faso food riots have broken out in the past week. (Thoughtcriminal.org)

In Thailand and other rice and grain producing nations, food theft is rising. Crops are stolen directly from fields.

The reported thefts in five rice-growing provinces in central Thailand are the first signs of criminal activity in this region stemming from the sharpest global spike in commodity prices since the oil crisis in the mid-1970s. Across the world, higher food prices are triggering thefts and violence – both by people who can’t afford to eat and those who want to make an easy buck. (Ibid)

The United States produces 46% of the world’s biofuels, with Brazil coming in at a close second with 42%. (Biofuels: the Promise and the Risks). As a world leader in food exports, grain in particular, the United States has altered world grain markets by diverting grain into fuel production, thereby increasing demand for grains with a resultant rise in the price of the commodity because of demand. The ensuing market shortage has generated price increases in the world grain market, making food staples too expensive for much of the world’s poor to afford.

So far, Americans are mostly bystanders in the game, content to grumble at the gas pump and complain in the grocery aisles. As a “First World” nation, the United States so far has not been subject to the food riots, which we have seen in Haiti and other parts of the world. Americans have more per capita income than much of the world; hence the crisis of the Third World, so far, is inconvenience in the “First World” and in developed nations such as the United States.

That said, however, we must understand that this situation is not sustainable. While Americans do have more disposable income than the rest of the word, that income is not unlimited and our food supply is much more vulnerable than we think. When it comes to food security, both in terms of supply and accessibility, this country is much more vulnerable than we think.

As one retired grain salesman noted, most of the nation’s grain is moved around the country by just TWO railroads. Little is stored in the event of disaster and the whole system is extremely vulnerable. While we in the United States look at the food riots in other countries with a sense of disbelief, we are not immune. Under the right circumstances, we could be in the same boat. (Ibid)

In order for riots to break out the whole food supply doesn't have to be wiped out. It just has to be threatened sufficiently. When people realize their vulnerability and the fact that there is no short-term solution to a severe enough drought in the Midwest they will have no clue as to what they should do. Other nations can't make up the difference because no other nation has a surplus of grain in good times let alone in times when they are having droughts and floods also. (Robert Felix, “US Food Riots Much Closer than You Think”)

Critics say the US is currently too preoccupied with foreign excursions and oil to pay attention to food security, particularly how concentration of suppliers and processors threaten the food chain. The highly concentrated meat processing industry has generated millions of pounds of recalls this year. Outbreaks in e.coli and other food borne pathogens continue to haunt the headlines, as food prices rise around the world.

The concentration of food processing, cultivation and distribution into the hands of a few companies is wrecking havoc around the world. A Canadian reporter noted the connection between market concentration and price increases around the world:
In Mexico and most other countries, a handful of international companies is controlling more and more of the food production line—from growing crops to purchasing crops from farmers, to warehousing, processing and distribution.

Carlsen said investigations following the tortilla crisis found that huge stores of corn in warehouses had cut down the supply and led to a jump in prices. (Matthew Little, Epoch Times, “Food Prices Skyrocket Amidst Growing Shortages.”)

Food security, that is the availability and affordability of food, has been pushed aside by the War on Terror, and continues to lag behind our awareness, despite their being linked together in a dangerous dance of death, which has been created by the bio-fuels industry. Ultimately, the price of oil, depends on supply, demand and risk (War), and the price of food has now become dangerously linked to the energy market by the requirements of the fuel crop industry. We now are dealing with a ‘double whammy’ that is dangerously impeding our food supply.

Living in the “Breadbasket of the World,” it is hard for most Americans to even conceive of the idea that food could become scarce in this country. Few of us are paying attention to the close relationship between biofuel, grain crops and price inflation.

Think tank analyst Pat Mooney noted the close connection between corn and oil prices.

"The market place does now tie the price of a bushel of corn to the price of a barrel of crude and when it does that it means that poor people are going to lose out," said Mooney. (Ibid)

The world’s grain and food markets have been turned on their heads. Where once the price of fuel and oil-based fertilizers used to cultivate crops added to the cost of the crop, now the use of crops as fuel generates still another tier of demand on the world’s soils and crops.

With finite amounts of cropland, competition between fuel and food crops for land and economic resources, and unpredictable natural disasters, wars and pestilence waiting in the wings, our food supply is not as secure as we think it is.

Even the United States is not immune from the potential for food shortages, food riots and food insecurity. We’re just blind to the possibility.

The author is an activist/writer/public speaker based in the Midwest. She has written articles on the mortgage crisis, land theft, mis-education of ethnic youth and food security. Books include:
Land, Legacy and Lynching: Building a future for Black America, and Urban Asylum: Politics, Lunatics and the Refrigerator Woman.

 

o.k. i would say that is substantial circumstantial evidence to lead one to believe that its quite possible that the government did indeed buy out those 2 bulk food companies..
as i suggested earlier fed up american i would just call internet-grocer.com and ask them if it is true,who knows ya may even get a online interview with them..

i really dont see any other way 2 bulk food suppliers would run out of inventory at the same time though..
so i for one believe him till someone can confirm different...

 

tyou dont see how 2 bulk food places ran out at once when ppl like u go around screamming buy in bulk now or die

they create a pannic drive up prices and get u to buy all u can


if your worried stop earring meat the food fed to animale turn into biofuel the land used for cattle turn into wheat feilfds

problem solved

been sayin that all year
stop eatting meat and we solve all global hunger..but no u rather cause a panic then give up a hamburger
the solutions simple but its up to u
we need a 2/3 reduction immediately and total end to the industry in the next few years

 

for the record i havent eaten red meat in months, all the meat we eat we grow ourselves,at the moment it consists of pork,goat and chicken just as all the vegetables we eat we grow ourselves..
we are not panic buying we have no need we live sustainably already...
yes we have been buying extra flour sugar and beans.
i would think it would be wise for you or anyone else to do the same with the inflation rate going up and up an all.
but then again maybe your rich and double digit inflation wont affect you over time.

so no im not worried for us at all, i worry for people like you who refuse to see the reality of whats coming..

to each there own.

 

this is dilli but ....
i am having a conversation with a military friend at this moment .He is career military and up for retirement very soon and is someone i have known for many years. (doesnt mean i totally buy his story however i question all things lol)

i will cut out the stupid bits and leave his identity out of it but on the subject of mre's and food issues here in the states this is what he said... take it as you wish .. just thought it was an interesting convo...i didnt ask the company name or ask what new company got a contract.... The initial question was does military contract to one company on mres and bulk foods or are they buying up all the stocks from bulk food companies because i have seen it on several companies websites that the govt was purchasing stocks on arrival...

"The company that produces them dilli is a major corporation that owns smaller companies dill, so...

dilligaf : sorta kinda is a bit disconcerting to me though .. all these companies being bought up n sold out n never have been before out of stock on all the supplies and all at same time

They only picked up the contract recently and all of our old MREs have to be replaced because they all went bad before they were supposed to due to the fact the old contract holder had bad quality control.

They are probably running all out producing them for us. Plus we need regular food supplies also for out DEFACs both here in the states and in Iraq.

And Afghanistan.

Dilligaf thanks.. i appreciate that answer

It is just the truth. It takes a lot of food to feed an Army..That is why we stockpile MREs. They are supposed to last for 20 years, the old ones went bad after 5. This company now has to pay back the govt and will most likely be going out of business."

 

please note:all recourses used in this post have links at the bottom of the page.

ok throwing the fact that this is a manufactured crisis by the elite out the window for a moment,and assuming they would actually entertain your idea,

lets look at this in more detail.

so its that simple, we just stop eating meat..

well i guess im just to stupid to figure how this one can be accomplished so "simply".

ok lets say you are one of the elites,lets examine the facts you have to take into account before mandating such a change.

the facts,
the price of rice has risen by three-quarters in the past year, that of wheat by 130%(1). There are food crises in 37 countries. One hundred million people, according to the World Bank, could be pushed into deeper poverty by the high prices(2)At 2.1bn tons, last year’s global grain harvest broke all records(3). It beat the previous year’s by almost 5%.

what are the root causes of the food crisis?
well there are many reasons the least of which is meat eaters. theres the ongoing drought in Australia. you are aware that the rice shortage(rice isnt generally used in livestock feed) is a far bigger problem world wide than the wheat shortage?
then theres the wheat rust in africa that they say is going to spread north on the wind to europe.
these coupled with the cost of oil to produce these crops and the bio fuel initiatives globally by default are causing commodities brokers to drive up the price.its inflation on these items not scarcity to the public (at least not yet)that is causing this crisis.

ok now more detail of the global picture

there are 192 countries in the world.
obviously far more cultures than that.

its estimated that only 30% of the worlds population are vegetarians. that number falls drastically in the industrialized world..

Country Vegetarians Total Population %
France 0.9
Germany 1.25
Netherlands 16m 4.4
Poland 38m 0.2
Sweden 0.75
United Kingdom 6.1
United States 2.8%

its estimated there are

1.3 billion cattle
850 million pigs
2902500000000000 chickens

in the world.

brazil ,who is one of the 37 countries now experiencing food riots exports 31% of the worlds beef.

and lets not forget there neighbor argentina,the worlds 8th largest exporter,also experiencing food riots.

lets keep in mind the riots are not because there is no food its because the food is to expensive for anyone to afford.

so to help me better understand the simplicity of your proposal and going on these facts i have to ask these questions..

first,how do you convince 2/3's of the worlds population spread across 192 countries,to cut there meat intake by 2/3's.

never mind that,,how do you convince 95 percent of the industrialized worlds population to reduce there intake by 2/3's?

what do you tell countries like brazil and argentina who are already having riots in the streets due to the state of there economy? how will they be compensated for the loss of there gross domestic product when instantly 2/3's of one sector of it is wiped out?

what do you do with all that livestock? how will you keep it all from further reproducing? the average life expectancy of the 3 major consumed animals is 10 years how will they be fed and cared for?

the same livestock not being taken to market represents trillions of dollars in lost revenue to 100's of millions of people worldwide,how will they be compensated?

what will be done for the 100's of millions of workers world wide who will lose there jobs?

keep in mind this crisis needs IMMEDIATE action or its only going to get much worse.

i agree if everyone in the world were vegan it would probably help the problem short term,but we are dealing with facts here not a fantasy world.

i dont see it being a "simple solution" at all because i dont think it can be accomplished in our lifetime much less before this crisis becomes catastrophic..

so please detail your plan on how all this can come together so "simply".

im just to stupid to comprehend it i guess....


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