im free,to submit to authority?

ok im not a christain ,although i have been to church a few times in my life lol..

i ran across this video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kG....com/articles/april2008/140408_b_Theology.htm


and i would like people who consider themselves a christain to give me there honest opinion on it..

thank you..

 

I'm a person who considers himself a Christian. My honest opinion is that it's propaganda. Who made it? For what purpose? I assume that the general intention is to arouse anger, concern, and outrage about something. Are we supposed to be appauled at the jackass preacher who is telling us God gave us freedom to be slaves? The message is absurd, but I've heard worse from the pulpit. Is it religion, the government, or both we're supposed to be incensed about? I think we need to be wary of both, but also wonder why this video was made and what the ultimate agenda is. I'm particularly concerned that I don't know that from watching it.

 

maybe it didnt give you a clear answer because its meant for you to make your own judgement on its content??

i think this news story spawned the video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDle-SWsyio

i dunno, like i said,i just wanna see what Christians think about the government encouraging preachers to preach submission.

like i said its irrelevant to me i aint gonna be in church no time soon..lol
lemme ask you,what if your preacher preached a similar sermon? how would you react?

thanks for your opinion..

 

Oh please! I couldn't sit through that video, get a grip free to submit?? What about dissent??

 

I'd probably stand up and call him a fraud and a sellout. But I'm sure he wouldn't, because I don't go to that kind of church. John Calvin made arguments like this in the sixteenth century, and I'm sure there are fundamentalist right wing pastors who believe the same thing. I'm no Calvinist, and I think it's every Christian's duty to resist domination systems. I visited a Southern Baptist church once, and was shocked to see the flag being displayed and saluted.

However, the video suggests that the U.S. government is encouraging preachers to preach submission, and yet not a shred of evidence to that effect is presented on the video. I'm sure Obama's former pastor hasn't been recruited for this enterpriseHow did the U.S. government get to this guy? And is he a real preacher or just a dude wearing a precher's outfit? Is it a real congregation, or just actors? The Bible contains passages that, taken out of context, could be used to prop up authority, but it also has many passages, including the prophets and Revelations, that could do just the opposite. Revelations, for example, calls the Roman Empire the "whore of Babylon". I don't know what it would call G.W. Bush, but I can think of some choice names.

I do think fundamentalists who regard the Bible as literal "inerrant" truth are set up for authoritarian control.

 

like i said i think it was some kinda commentary on the second video i posted..

 

Just so people don't get the idea that most Christians are submissive autoritarians like the preacher depicted in the video, I'd like to bring out some alternative Bible-based arguments and qualifications to the Rev.'s sermon. The main text I heard him use was Romans 13:1-7, calling for "subordination" to government authority. Three things to note about that passage: First, it calls for "subordination", not obedience. Subordination is based on the same root as ordering, and suggests general willingness to be law abiding, not necessarily to do everything the government commands. Saint Augustine, Saint Thomas Aquinas and Martin Luther King took the position that an unjust law is not a law at all. Romans was written by Saint Paul, who refused to obey orders to abandon this missionary work, and spent almost as much time in jail as out of jail. Apostles Peter and John, who also refused to obey orders to give up their ministries, declared that obedience to God took precedence over unjust directives (Acts 4: 19) There is a long Biblical tradition of resistance to unjust or illegitimate rule. Moses killed the Egyptian taskmaster, Elijah openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel, David refused to surrender to King Saul, Daniel defied the King's order not to pray out loud, etc.
Second, the purpose of government authority is strictly defined and thereby limited. The government must not be a "terror to good works" and must be "a minister of God to thee for good." That would seem to rule out tyranny. The Bible indicates that rightful government authority is founded on the moral law (Exodus 18:21; Deuteronomy 17;14,15,18,19),2 Samuel 23:2,3; Psalm 94:20; Proverbs 16:12; Isaiah 10:1. I might add Revelations, which warns us to resist "the Beast". Third, it calls for subordination to lawful authority, which in the United States derives from the Constitution and is circumscribed by international law. So unjust or illegal orders (e.g., to engage in waterboarding) can be resisted, as can unconstitutional usurpations of power by the President or any other government official exceeding authority. In the Roman empire of Paul's time, just being a Christian was a crime, and Paul was martyred under Nero.
If you're interested in checking out some web sources that take issue with the preacher on the video, you might try the following, which I don't necessarily endorse. One is by Chuck Baldwin, a right wing nutjob from the Moral Majority, who opposes President Bush for being too liberal. He's defending resistance to unjust laws, in the context of backing Judge Moore's defiance of an order to remove the Ten Commandments from his courthouse. (No, I don't condone that action!)http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2003/cbarchive_20030826.html.
Another is a Christian defense of civil disobedience: http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?534.
And for a Catholic source, check out http://www.trosch.org/oppose_ptr.htm.