why do people feel the burning need to replicate? do htey enjoy the wastage of time, money and effort? the crippling social effects etc? the worst thing is, none of them seem to know WHY they did (beyond family name etc) your actually gonna create another human being and make them run the gauntlet of life and assume you somehow have the supreme knowledge to know that they want to live? its worse than murder, murder is forcing people not to live. time: seconds pain: none to severe childbirth is forcing somebody to live time: years pain: every single pain theyll ever experience, from falling off a bike to dying slowly of cancer, you are personally responsible for it should be illegal, seriously
You are assuming that pain is a bad thing. You are not considering the point of view that says that pain is beautiful, if for no other reason than it is a part of life, which is beautiful. Pain can be a great teacher, but perception of pain is everything. If you veiw it as a horrible, evil thing, than you're almost gauranteed a difficult life. But if you strive, however difficult, to see the learning opportunity, the silver lining, than you can move through it to become an even better person than you were before. I have been through my own personal hell and back. I have been through physical pain WORSE than childbirth, I have considered suicide, I've had 2-3 nervous breakdowns, and an existential crisis which has lasted the last 2 1/2 years which I am just now coming out of. And you know what? I'm greatful for every single minute of it.
you talk about this learning experience, but learning for what? it reminds me of a picture ive seen, a staircase leading upto a brick wall and a caption 'where are you going with this?' because progression in life for its own sake, i cantt live with that, i cant live with going through life with no other reason than 'thats what you do' 'thats life' etc sorry if i seem negative, i just need to get this out
In the larger picture: to realize your true self; to become an authentic human being who knows and celibrates his individual place in the universe. To realize once and for all that you do belong, and to find peace within. In the more immediate sense: the confidence that comes from knowing you have the strength to overcome anything. The peace of mind in knowing that everything's ok. The euphoric feeling you get from being exactly where you are supposed to be. Acceptance--not in the complacent sense, but for the relief that comes when you realize we're all in this together and you don't have to control everything. You should read The Myth of Sisyphus.
It's actually pretty famous, I'm surprised you've never heard of it. Anyway, in one of the chapters he talks about the problem of suicide. http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Sisyphus...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208628487&sr=8-1
I wouldnt try to rationalize the ideals the OP is considering, but I'll go out on a limb and say that people in general need to stop reproducing. I'm all for mass sterilization. Our world can support roughly 48 billion people--If all the resources were divided evenly, and everyone lived modest lives--which will never happen. If everyone lived like the average american, the world would only be able to support around 2 billion people. Currently, there are 6+ billion, and it's going to double in 50-something years. There is a growing food shortage that everyone's worried about. But creating more sustainable food sources isn't going to solve the problem of humanity surpassing the Earth's capacity to hold it. People will suffer, environments will suffer, Earth will suffer. It's a never-ending cycle that would, without foreign aid, end in starvation for a large number of people. But this is a process that the entire animal kingdom undergoes at some time. Sometimes I feel that we need more cataclysmic events to thin out the human population. More deaths are needed in 3rd world countries, since a consumer society such as ours rapes resources more, yet doesn't breed as much as our 3rd world counterparts. A good mosquito-carried disease would probably do the world a lot of good. Anyway.. Aside from doom, gloom and destruction.. mass sterilization = win! Or at least education/birth control/sustainable industry & jobs so larger families arent needed by 3rd world countries.
Hold up...you just contradicted yourself. If third world countries have more kids but consume less, and our society has less kids but consumes more, than its ALL THE SAME. You can't say that poor people should be sterilized but we should be left alone to rape the worlds resources; that's not based on logic but on nothing more than self-interest. And guess what? When people in poor countries get educated and earn more money, they do stop having so many kids...and then they consume more! So guess what? We're all back to square one. How about we all stop breeding AND stop consuming so much? Call it a compromise.
It's all a game of resources. Lower population consuming more means less deaths needed to decrease the amount of resources used up. High population consuming less as individuals but a lot as a huge collection of people requires more individual deaths to "do their part" in consuming less. collectively. I mean, if the developed countries take a bigger hit, all the better. It's not about self interest. I never said that developed countries can stay just how they are, that's bullshit. I hope something bad hits the states, trust me. And yeah, I agree that people should try to consume less as well. Yes, yes, I know that education and development leads to lower birth rates. Two kids, and forced sterilization. sound good?
this whole ranty is me bitching about how i got here, and asking why my mother didnt get an abortion, or get sterilised at birth. that would be the way to go, legalise all drugs, sterilise everyone, get rid of all work, and lets just go party till we overdose and die 'its better to burn out than to fade away' -Kurt Donald Cobain
Uummm... No? I don't want anybody taking the wank out of my wanker. How about we all just consume less? People need to ride a damn bike, eat less, use less, buy less... I already do, and I even over-compensate to make up for the time I spend on the computer. I also will add that I think that a lot of Americans contribute a lot to the problem of pollution and the exceeding of the biocapacity of the earth. But, I mean, sterilised? That's Hitlerish. Can you honestly say that you truly believe that they would make drugs, of all things, legal when they did this? And if somebody doesn't want to live that badly, they can find ways to not live. Do you want to kill yourself? I would hope not. That wouldn't be cool.
do i want to kill myself? a lot of the time, certainly, and this isnt about using resources, this is about forcing people to live, if you kill somebody becasue you think thats what they would have wanted, you get jail you steal someones stuff because thats what you think they would have wanted, you get jail you give birth to someone cos you think thats what they would have wanted, you get child benefit as for the legalising drugs things, we need a new government, who will act towards this, becasue this way, we can pack as much happiness into our lives in the sohrtest time possible, before our bodies age and slow down, then once we start to fail, we can call time on our lives and after this, there will be no more unhappness, the last generation will be too busy partying, the other generations will never be born, and we can call an end to the great failed experiment called humanity
Well... I can see where you are comming from on a lot of things, but I think that more and more people will begin to see the light and realize what they're doing to the planet. I think the solution is positive more than negative.
Personally, I'm against having children myself but thats due to the fact I look at my life and realize that there isn't room for babies. And besides that I'd screw a child up with all the partying and bullshit I do. But that being said I believe that people do have their own views on why they wanted a child and why they decided to have the child. I just can't see that fitting into my life / life style. But the pain we get from things that happen in our life time, do they not bring you knowledge? Or greater understanding of some things? It wouldn't be torture as you describe, it would be learning
well, im gonna live my life my way then when i do off myself, i can say ive lived my life ot the fullest
If we didn't reproduce, our species would die out. Plus, it's practically impossible for that to happen, seeing as how we're one of the few animals in the world that have sex for pleasure. And sex for pleasure can sometimes lead to accidents. Besides, making reproduction illegal, would make sex illegal, which would make birth control and condoms illegal. Also, sex is great; even if does result in pregnancy. Babies are precious. Until they become corrupt, that is. I like sex way to much for me to not partake in it, because childbirth is so "stupid", according to the original poster of this. So, grow up and get laid. You'll see. It's worth it.
