Question for a knowledgable christian.

I was recently debating with someone about life, religion, etc. When we hit Christianity I found a really awkward part. It is when it says God created man then woman, THEN the animals because he was bored or something (Correct me if I'm wrong.). Well, this could be true, but we have yet to find fossils that co-existed with the dinosaurs. Something else I question is when it says god created the heaven's and the earth in a week or something. I know that can mean anything, but I was just wondering since it took Earth billions of years to form.

 

according to the bible, God created the animals first. man came last.

as for the Earth taking billions of years to form, watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et8JNZVq4xo

 

Actually Ch 1 of Genesis has animals first, Ch 2 has man first. It is metaphorical. Written by two different groups of people...

 

The creation of Mankind and the creation of the Adamic Line are two separate events, as is the creation of "beasts of the earth" and "beasts of the field". The first three chapters of Genesis (and the rest of the Bible) are unfortunately badly misunderstand, and very rarely taught correctly.

These Bible studies will hopefully shine some light and answer some of your questions.

http://www.biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

http://www.biblestudysite.com/creation.htm

http://www.biblestudysite.com/realsin.htm

Personally, I experienced an epiphany when I understood what the Bible actually says, as opposed to what I was told the Bible says in Sunday school.

 

i thought it was written all by moses.

and in chapter 2 are you referring to verse 19? to me that could be past tense. but I see what you're saying.

 

that there is what i Christianity's main problem is.

My friend told me that in the Bible it said that it took Seven days for God. And his days were like thousands and thousands of our days long. Or something to that affect.

 

Many scholars believe Genesis was written by at least three authors: Genesis 1 by the J (or Yaweh) group from the southern kingdom, Genesis 2 by the Elohim using northerners, and the P (Priestly) group during the Babylonian captivity. Genesis 1 was written after Genesis 2, and both were written after Exodus. As early as the first few centuries after Christ, such influential Christian writers as Origen and Augustine, realized that the truths of Genesis were metaphorical rather than literal. To read it as presenting scientifically accurate information misunderstands the purpose. The J story portrays humans as being created before vegetation and animals. The P/E story sees humans as the climax of creation. The Six-Day creation emphasizes the importance of sabbath observance, written at a time when the Jewish people had experienced Babylonian captivity and were determined to preserve their beseiged culture by keeping their distinctive traditions alive. Genesis also proclaims Israel's God as Creator of all, thus asserting that even though Israel was temporarily down, its God was supreme and could whip the Babylonian pagan gods with one hand tied behind His back. My own "born again" experience centered on the phrase in Genesis that humans were created in the image and likeness of God. It gave me a radically transforming way of viewing myself and other people. But I never took it literally. The Adam and Eve story is a parable of human nature, foolishly grasping for some fatuous object when we have Paradise all around us. "The Kingdom of Heaven is spread out everywhere around us and they do not see it." (Gospel of Thomas) Noah's Ark, a monotheistic version of the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic, is about sin and redemption, etc.

 

For Hitler and his Christian Nazis during the Third Reich, sites of mass murder and extermination at the time of the Holocaust, must be "Paradise all around us", indeed. :jester:

 

Not trying to Christian bash, but: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html

 

Let the OP be the judge of that.

 

Same old broken record. Hitler called himself a Christian for political purposes. His key advisors and SS members were pagan. Quakers are Christian. Are they Nazis, too? Do you think you could convice anybody of that? It's a logical fallacy to say that Some Christians were Nazis, therefore all Christians are Nazis, or are responsible for Nazis. But why bother replying to you. You never learn.

 

You haven't been paying attention. Two previous posts pointed out that there are two different versions of the creation sequence in the Bible--one with humans being created first (Gen.2), the other with humans being created last (Gen.1). As for your talkorigins reference, thanks. I don't feel the least bit bashed, because it confirms what I already believed. Most Christians, including some Evangelicals, are not Young Earth Creationists.

 

I know, I shoulda clarified myself really. I was responding to Neo's post (and posted video). By the Christian bash bit, I meant that I was posting in a christian bashy thread in the christianity forum. Not that I thought that my post would be attacking the majority of Christians, sorry to have caused confusion.

 

what is your point?

what does hitler's supposed religion have anything to do with christanity as a whole anyways?

 

ha.

this entire forum is christian bashing.

you're checking out A-ok dude dont worry. I wasn't sure about the credibility of that vid, thanks for the link.

 

Hehe yeah, as much as it's free speech. I swear very little of each religious board's respective religion/belief system is actually discussed.

 

You need a logic class, especially one that deals with fallacies. It doesn't matter what Hitler was born or baptised as. Hitler was no Christian. Martin Luther King was a Christian. Are you calling him a Nazi? And by the way, using the term "junior" in an effort to diminish me is another shabby trick substituting for reason.

 

You continue to speak in generalities and insults without substance to back them up. I've read lots of history books. Which ones have you read?

 

I agree.

Let's all chip in and help pay for his class. We might get some decent discussion out of him then.

 

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advance of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there's no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds - perhaps inhabited worlds like ours - then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity."

Adolf Hitler privately in a letter to Heinrich Himmler, October 14, 1941.

hmmm....

not exactly something I would expect a christian to say.

If anything, Hitler was a new age occultist with pagan tendencies, and was probably the farthest thing from a Christian.