Bush says tax rebates going out Monday will help people afford rising gas, food price

When have I boasted about how good the economy is and how it is going to boom this year?

Of course they aren't, but they are wealthy, they do not need to. They are not going to be affected by the rising fuel costs. You are not Bush, and from what it sounds like, you are not wealthy. YOU need to look out for YOU. As much as you hate Bush, it is not going to improve your financial situation.

Fuck you...There is how you FEEL and then there is REALITY. The reality is that the current and future economy is going to adversely affect the lower and middle class. Now you can bitch about everything and be stuborn and not change your ways because you feel you shouldn't have to, or you can be smart and maintain your quality of life while dealing with increased living costs.

 

Someone should do a cartoon of Bush with his tax-refund finger sticking in the dike claiming that it's going to stop the calamity.

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Hillary Clinton could play the dyke.

 

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I said no such thing in that thread or any other. The last time you made the bullshit accusation of me supporting Bush and the Iraq War you claimed I went back and edited all my posts, now you are claiming they were all deleted? You're a fucking joke. You are so weak it's pathetic.

 

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May I suggest that we do the one thing that they don't want us to do with our money-

save it.

 

oh I see someone already kind of suggested that idea...

You know the high oil costs aren't all Bush's fault.. certainly, Bush plays a large part in this shithole, but don't blame this whole thing on him. Many things have happened that were completely out of his control.

 

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Could you please explain to me what the logic is behind this, or what you think you are trying to accomplish? I have heard people say similar things that range from sending the check back because they can't be bought off for $600 to protesting these rebates becuase they think it is supposed to make up for Bush going to war with Iraq, etc. I have yet to have anybody give me a clear explanation as to who or what they are resisting or protesting, and what they think the end result is going to be if their plan succeeds. Also I question if people really understand how and what this stimulus package is supposed to accomplish.

Please enlighten me, this is a serious question.

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I appreciate your mostly serious and flame free response. Do you really think this is a bribe? Do you think Bush pulled this number out of his ass? Or do you think the Bush Administrations Economic Advisors calculated that X dollars will help stimulate the economy, and estimating that 40% of those receiving checks will immediately spend it, they need to spend X/.4 to achieve these results?

 

Just a note before this gets too far. I personally don't think that this stimulus package is going to make a significant impact, nor have a long lasting effect. I am just not understanding some peoples beliefs and attitudes regarding the intent of these checks. Again, I believe that some economic advisor speculated that $67 billion will jump start the economy, and with the estimated 40% of rebate dollars going directly back into the economy, the total package value is $168 billion. Divided out that equates to $600 to individuals making less than $70k (just noting the amount that those here expect to get). I don't believe that this "measely $600" was calculated to impact an individual, but as a whole calculated to impact the entire economic system. Again, at least this is what they are hoping. I guess we will find out.

 

I actually asked that in a previous discussion. Got no answer. I'm online on my Blackberry right now so it's a pain in the ass searching info, but I will see what I can find. I am still curious as to the immediate or lasting effect of that stimulus plan. It obviously didn't last too long

 

OK, I’ve had some comments.

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Politics can be an emotional subject that can cause tempers to flare, and for that reason such outbursts are a lot more tolerated on the political forums than in some others where such behaviour would get an instant warning for trolling.

Now while I’m sure most regular posters ignore or disregard defamatory language or like me see it as an admission of a weaker arguemet, other may not.

The thing is that excessive outbursts on the forums can put off people with valid points from posting because they perceive them as aggressive and fear what response they might receive.

Such things can go from a comment meant to convey the strength of ones opinion to being heckling meant to deter others from giving a reply all to easily.

Yours with Regards

Balbus


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What exactly is the expected result of this stimulus package? Please, I'd like to see it in print what the expected outcome is. Will it lower gas rates? Will it lower utility rates? Will it ensure that citizens can receive health care when necessary? Will it insure the products we buy at places like Walmart are safe for consumption? Will it protect our homes from foreclosure? Will it protect our jobs from outsourcing?

 

If this is your answer, how does that benefit the consumer? What is happening is taxpayer dollars are being redirected to keep a failing market afloat. Who's economy is it we are stimulating. Why is it a catastrophy when the market drops points, but nothing to worry about when the working person's life is eroded by stagnate wages and inflation caused by speculation within the market. Banks and corporations are bailed out while the workers are told they need to use more personal restraint.

 

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Then I propose that we all just hang on to our tax rebates until December. Let's all use them for last minute Christmas or Chanuka gifts. And let's make them cash gifts to individuals. Easy to wrap, welcomed by all, and very small environmental footprint, no travel to the mall, etc.

 

While the fall of the dollar is all on Bush, he couldn't have done much about the surging middle class in east Asian countries... and now the demand is above supply (slightly) and so the price shoots up... its only by a few points, too. Hell, 20-30 years ago, the demand was just a bit lower than supply (not as great of a need for petro in the far east) and gas cost very little.

But something must be done to stop an impending dollar crash- when you print so much money, it may be worth something in the beginning, but that money has nothing behind it- no gold or anything.

If someone started printing me paper with nothing behind it, my personal finances would be quite good for a while, but eventually the bill is going to come and my money will be worth what? the paper that it's printed on? nothing.