Help me! I don't know what im doing!

Alright guys heres the scoop. I have 1500 MGS and 40 HBWRS. My experiment is this. I have three jars A, B, C. In jar A we have 500 mgs (20 g) powdered. The seeds were pretreated with a naptha wash using 300 ml of the non polar solvant shaken for 20 min. I allowed to air dry for 2 days. Seed powder complete dry and odor free. I added 2 oz of vodka to soak for 3 days. Jar B contains 250 seeds powdered (10 g). I used a 1+oz vodka soak for 30 min. Jar C contains 250 seeds powdered (10g ). Using a 30 min vodka 1+oz w/a splash of lemon juice to salt the freebase polar lsa molecules. I will test each tincture on different nites. Starting with A, B, then C. A is to see if MG tincture tek is valid. B is to see if you could bypass the naptha wash. C is to see if the tartric acid found in lemon juice salts the lsa molecules and transform them into ergotamine tartrate and pull more out of the powder or be a stronger tincture. Honestly I can tell you since this is my first experiment with the MGS. The amount of seed needed to make an extraction was minimal compared to what I pictured in my mind. The weight scale runs as an estimate at 25 seeds per gram MGS. So 4 g per hit. I wouldnt even waste my time again with using vodka or anything other then small amounts of lemon juice in ounces maybe 1-2 oz per 10 g of MGS. Each filtered extraction was done through a REUSABLE COFFEE FILTER ONLY. Seriously guys this filters quick, doesnt break and is reusable. If you can't invest in one of these. Then you shouldn't even attempt to make or drink LSA potions or tinctures.



For the HWBRS. I like to use 12 seeds the equivilant to 3 hits. My experiment of seed activity lacked the careful effort of time taking and in haste i made a potion of seeds with fuzzy husks and soaking in lemon juice longer then 30 min. I also did not get all the LSA seed powder off the coffee grinder cover. The experiment for activty was compromised with haste. But it yielded the effect of testing for activity which was active and the feeling of small amount of cramping and gas. Yet still clear as far as inner visuals and cosmic waves of healing alienlike energies go, I still got off. This may be a better canidate for tincures of LSA. Since the seed powder is in less amounts. it is 10 seeds per gram. What I mean is 1 dose MGS = 4g. 1 dose HBWRS = .4g. thats 10x stronger by weight. 20 ml per oz of liquid = 20 liquid drops. each drop = 1ml standard. 10 g HBWRS = 100 HBWRS = 25 hits. I would say 30 ml of vodka per 10gs of HBWRS. So the extract yields 25ml due to some loss of volume in the mush. Equaling 1 hit lsa per drop. This is to be tested after these vodka soak trials are finished. and of course trials will be conducted with the HBWRS to test for LSH conversion from the addition of acetaldehyde from the pepermint oil extract. All theory all to be tested.

But honestly guys. If your gonna try to pull trips out of the seeds in small doses. I wouldn't even bother using any other method then a simple 30 min lemon juice extract. If you want LSA powder get a fine mesh strainer and filter the real soft fluffy off white powder off the grinded seed husks. 30 min is the max you ever want to soak your seeds in anything.

"Seeds are the embryo of the plant. Though they are hard and dense, like roots, they are engineered to open and release their properties immediately upon contact with water, so they do not need to be infused for a long time. In fact, if seeds are brewed for too long, more than 30 minutes, bitter oils and esters are leached out into the water and a foul-tasting brew results." -- Susan S. Weed, Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, Informed Homebirth, Boulder, 1986.

After 30 min I like to add a couple of ounces of juice to the mix before filtering. This helps wash the seed mush and rinse any residual LSA off the mush. You just strain through your REUSABLE COFFEE FILTER ONLY! Stir it with a spoon and press excess moisture out of seed mush with the back end of the spoon. I recommend the lemon juice due to its tartrate content. It converts the ergine into ergotamine tartrate sort of like lysergic acid diethylamine tartrate. I will experiment more later on the D-Lysergic acid N-(α-hydroxyethyl)amide conversion using drops of peppermint oil in the final extract.

The chemical name for this alkaloid is 9,10-didehydro-N-(1-hydroxyethyl)-6-methylergoline-8-carboxamide. Its structure is very similar to LSD in that the N,N-diethylamide group is replaced with an N-(1-hydroxyethyl)amide in D-lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide.

The dominant alkaloids in the seeds of Rivea corymbosa (ololiuhqui), Argyreia nervosa (Hawaiian baby woodrose) and Ipomoea violacea (tlitliltzin) are ergine (LSA) and isoergine (its epimer). Both are psychoactive but not psychedelic ergoline derivatives having mild sedative/vasoconstricting effects. The human activity of D-lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide is unknown.

LSH is not present in the HBWRS but can theoretically be converted by the addition of peppermint oil. Leading to the myth of Demeter goddess of grain and fertility. And the sacred Kykeon of the Elusian Mysteries.

Then Metaneira filled a cup with sweet wine and​

offered it to her; but she refused it, for she said it​

was not lawful for her to drink red wine, but bade​

them mix meal and water with soft mint and give​

her to drink. And Metaneira mixed the draught and​

gave it to the goddess as she bade. So the great​

queen Deo received it to observe the sacrament.…

The meal is likened to infected grain steeped in water with soft mint or peppermint. so the answers are clear. we are almost done. but do try the 30 min lemon juice extract.

This forum post is dedicated to one of my most favorite people in life who has just passed away. Dr. St. Albert Hoffman. He truly changed the world for the better. He is right up there with the Christ!

 

Very interesting, especially the LSH conversion!! I can't believe such an interesting and seemingly not-too-difficult substance to create has so little documented use. I haven't read of anyone actually performing this conversion, so I was a little hesitant to try it myself. I'm curious where you learned about this theoretical conversion - or are you of scientific mind, and this an original postulation? Also, where does one find information on LSH (tried erowid, nothing)?
Good luck,
-RJ

 

http://matthams.blogspot.com/2007/10/dna-in-new-light.html

 

thanks. the scientific community at large overstates it's omniscience, and this article reminds me so. still so much out there. hmm i think i might check the rhodium snapshot or something...try to find dose and yield for this sort of thing...or maybe that guy has more posts...will post if i find anything interesting.

 

you can read about LSH by finding some notes by Dr hoffman. i read some stuff on LSH by following LSA and LSD on erowid.
according to Dr Hoffman, it is the closest derivative of LSD..

im very interested in the subject, however im more or less scared to try my own recipe..

ive yet to find posts of people saying they actually made LSA, and noted a proper conversion to LSH.

my friend ATE HBRW seeds, said he had some minor hallucinations, but puked, felt sick as shit from it..

when will u be conducting these experiments ancient? im curious as to the results. good luck

 

Good to see someone doin this sort of research! Im waiting upon my arse to go to the bank and write a bank slip up for my HBWR order thats in atm.. but whenever i go to the bank its usually caus i need to get money, not send it away

 

a friend and I ate 10 seeds each. we both had a great trip, but his stomache hurt like hell.

 

OK this has been bugging me all weekend. I write a post to be picked upon by the masses. Man it hurts like hell when you fuck up and say something stupid online. I mean im so telepathic that i feel the thoughts of others. So when I post my research ideas and work it is up for scrutiny. but alas not to bad. I worked all day puttin this one together. now the problem is jar B and C were so minutely active I consider it wasted effort. Friday nite opened a portal to trip in but no trip came. so saturday morning took jar C and went to the farm. heightened awareness but low. Im not even gonna attempt to fuck with the naptha wash. that shit could make me sick. neither jar b or c caused any naseua. so before i partake of that naptha bullshit i am going to test the potency of the seeds. they may be bunk and i will have to try the vodka wash with the HBWRS. so today i made Jar D which is 12g MGS in a 30 min lemon juice soak washed with distilled water. It is hidden till tomorrow nite. I will partake and see if there is any activity. this 30 min lemon juice extraction has been absolutley amazing with the HBWRS. So it should in theory work with the MGS. If I have activity in the lemon juice MG potion then it will be discovered that vodka is an inefficient solvant for pulling out the magic from the seeds and that the theory of a MG LSA tincture with vodka is not effective. For sure the xperiment led me to discover that there is no point in making a MGS tincture. that the preperation of a 30 min lemon juice extraction is most notably the most effective and convienent method for making an LSA potion. Plus it tastes better. still in theory i can use lemon juice to make a potent HBWRS LSA tincture in close to single drop hits. its just lemon juices keeping power is questionable to me. but kept refridged it should keep for a long time. still when all the extraction methods have been established into recommmended proper methods. then the experiment with the fabled LSH with peppermint oil can be explored. but we need to get to the LSA first.

 

It's alright man, your doing all of us a favor with your research here in the exotic plants forum. Don't let the LSD trolls get you down. I'd have to admit that i think your one of the smartest people on this forum. Keep it the good work, I'm currently in the process of recieving my first set of woodrose seeds.

Peace and god bless

 

Oh, maybe vodka isn't the best solvant for the potion, have you thought about using everclear or something else with more power.

 

Everclear is hard to find. I know a circle K in az that carries it but i havent really looked hard around town. Plus Dawg its just that the lemon juice is so effective. I just remember the first time i finally tried it. It was so effective. I was blown away by the power contained in the seeds. By the peak I was having flashbacks of acid trips while on amine. so clean. no worries who i got this from. I know who i got it from. straight from the creator himself. so the next nite i tried it again same dose of 12 seeds. this nite instead of being at some big party where they murdered a bear for dinner. I chilled while my family slept. I watched the wizard of oz while i turned on and then smoked some bowls and watched a tnt back to back shrek set. i never seen shrek on acid (amine). I was visted by some aztec spirit and was shown the mystery of the cross. i felt free like i have found what i have always been looking for. lots of spirits. then the third time was 18 seeds (4.5 hits). heres my trip

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283637

 

do you use straight up lemon juice or do you dilute it into water. If your diluting it, you could just dilute it into the vodka. Maybe that would make it easier to make a tincture. THe combo of alcohol and citric acids.

 

I use straight lemon juice. the actual original recipe called for lime juice. but i experimented using the lemon juice which was a success but i never did try the original lime juice method. now i tried the lemon juice method with my MGS. still no intense reaction. so i am writing off the MGS that i have. they must of sat in the warehouse to long waiting to be moved. so anyways i have the HBWRS that are active. so the experiment continues with the HBWRS as the canidates. Now if a 30 min vodka soak takes. then the hope for a lsa/lsh tincture is possible. Why Vodka? vodka is 60% pure distilled water. the 40% is pure grain ethanol. now since lsa is water soluble i figure 60% of the solution should pull the magic from the seeds. the 40% ethanol is only to preserve the organic matter in the tincture for longer periods of time. straight water or lemon juice will spoil and and mold with the seed magic in it. I dont know for sure but i dont want to find out. most herbal tinctures are made with vodka. some oily based plants like cannabis and opium need the everclear. so we will see if vodka makes a good tincture solvant for salvia. the two week soak is almost finished and will be ready this weekend.

 

So 10 HBWRS in a 30 min soak in 1oz vodka unlocked the magic. I spilt my 40 HBWRS into 4 new experiments. The first was to test the activity of LSA in a 30 min vodka soak. Mixed with juice and strained through the REUSABLE COFFEE FILTER. Saved for a day till I could test. Thursday was a day off. Had to go do some things in town so I figured if I dropped for activity testing only I would shrug off the buzz a bit. Took the potion and walked my son around my complex with my wife. 30 min passed and I was feeling something. Knew I was in for it. Came back and felt unclean so I showered before it really kicked in. Got ready and left. I knew there was no mothers day shopping going on tilll later. I needed to get out of babylon and fast. So I drove up passed the ecological reserve back into national park mountain area. took along some sparkling mineral water but left it in the car so I wouldn't drink and have to pee alot on my trip. Man it was kickin in. I was glad to be away from babylon and people. I decended the trail into river gorge. hoping to find a flat rock I could lay on and allow for ego dissolution. I found a clearing of grass that i could lay my head but the sun baked me. I moved to a shady bed of oak leaves. smoked out and layed back. The thing i noticed with LSA seeds especially when you grind them with your teeth. Which is barbaric and an unevolved style of partaking magic seeds. A sort of lethargy that I could only relate to as the shifting of the assemblage point to the amine mind. The body gets lethargic in order to compensate for the shift and gather energy in meditation. A new frequency. The seeds are definetly a meditative aid if anything else. I layed back and had visions. plus the lethargy makes you want to lay, helps shifts the mind into alpha state. A place ripe for visions. I saw my inner light as a sphere within my heart. a beam of light connected to another sphere outside myself which symbolized GOD. I learned that life is like a flame of visions, maya, illusion. Like the friction between me and god ignited the visions and images of my world. the world is what seperates us from him. It was deep and I was so still that nature creatures never saw me. I became invisible and the nature was about to overtake me and I jumped hear what I thought could be a mountain lion. So I got up and contiuned the decent. Found a new spot but it was a community of flies and buzzing bugs. they would not leave me alone. As I lay there I could see in my mind the bugs as larger and birds no diffrent in size then myself. I realized that to any creature it existis as its own size and it doesnt change its perception of that. They are regular in ther own way like we feel about our size in the human condition. so I got up. Thinking I might have gotten poison oak or a bug bite. I went down to the stream which pooled at the bottom of the trail. this was the place I had been searching for. I hadn't been there since my buddies hippie wedding. A bed of sand that would be perfect for camping and getting away to trip. I washed my arm in cool water and walked a bit to explore the terrain. packed a bowl and found my rock of laying. By this point the lethargy was gone and I was alert by my own natural energy and in my second attention other. I layed and had my perfect awakening. No visions just thoughts. I traveled with my thoughts. they were the streams to my dreams and visions. I was taken away in revelings which I cannot recall. Almost bliss. Mostly visions and thoughts about coming back to camp and take extracts. I felt I had shifted and knew I could go into babylon while in my other second attention. The increased power and the health from my vegatalistas practices made me extremely attractable and desirable to women. I was telepathic and avoided peoples eyes. Any glance would connect me telepathically for even a brief moment. Went and washed my car and drove to this sports park of old memories. postive ones though. it was 420, time to puff. I lay on a bench and slip into visions. I was feeling an empathy a sort of natural ecstacy. I lay on the bench and had a vivid vision of the HBWR flower. it is a type of morning glory. I saw the beautiful vine flower with a blue sky in the background. I thought about the power contained within the seeds. What a miracle. As I opened my eyes, directly above me flying high was a native hawk of my land. I followed it with my eyes till they closed again and then reopened looking where the hawk had been before. Through the blue haze we call sky, was the crecent moon directly above me. I about shit at the coincidence of it. So I returned home and came down with some holy water (natural light beer) and playoff games.

 

BTW this experiment with the HBWRS has confirmed the effectiveness of 30 min seed soaks in lemon juice, and vodka. So far I can guaruntee these two liquids as long as you have active seeds. I recommend BBB. The next experiment will be a 30 min soak with distilled water and peppermint oil. Yes I said peppermint oil. I finally got some. 8 bucks at Henry's farmers market. I want to myth bust this LSH theory.

 

nice, hows your 2 week soak going along

 

The two weeks soaks is finished. last nite tested 10 drops. got heavy but no visions or passage through the treshold. thoughts of evaporating the solution until thick is my next option. there is plenty of vodka used so its diluted. i will let it sit with the lid open for a few days. I need to find the rate of evaporation for future experiments and procursions of this sort. Definetly felt something. so once i get it more concentrated i will better be able to gauge its effects and dosages.

 

This weeks experiments are on the HBWRS. This week will be the soaking of ten seeds powdered and soaked in distilled water and strained after 30 mins. To the strained potion will be added a few drops of peppermint oil and let to sit over a period of a day or two. I have a good idea of what to expect of the regular extraction. I am confident that i will recieve reward from the distilled water variable. The testing is in the difference of effect with the addition of peppermint oil.