Aliens and Quantum Physics/Mechanics

This possibility was brought to my mind while reading: "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman

Alien contact is made through consciousness, not physical ships flying through the universe.

This was inspired by the other alien thread.

Quantum physics has room for this theory.

 

Quantum physics has room for this theory? Which area of quantum mechanics allows for this? Its possible that you are taking about entanglement I think for entanglement to occur the particles have to have intereacted at some point in the past. In general communication over vast distances trips over because of relativity not quantum mechanics.

 

i've not heard anything of the sort. where can i find out more about this?

 

Im not big on recreational drugs, read far to many scary reports for that. However the strangest feelings I get usually occur soon after excess drinking. This makes me wonder is it just possible that its the fact we take mind affecting drugs or full on hallucinogneics that give us these strange sensations. After all there are well known biochemical mechanisms for hallucinogens, this seems more likely than having to re-write general relativity because it doesnt stand up to scrutiny because of people on drug trips. Just a though but I guess one thats going to go down like a lead balloon here.

 

fat tony - when quantum particles dissapear, where do they go? I'm not an 'expert' in this area, more of a novice. My impression is that we don't know, and that its possible for two things to exist simultaneously. not a duplicate, but the exact same thing. I was thinking that the 'nothingness' the particles go to is beyond time and space in this dimension. if there is existence beyond time and space then it wouldn't matter the distance one would need to travel, eh?

I'd like to hear more about your DMT experience. There have been many reports of people encountering 'beings' while in a DMT trip. It kind of shoots your consciousness to another realm where there is usually some form of a being that you can communicate with.

I'd like to hear more first hand experiences. I don't think that 'drugs' should be discounted in this theory because its possible that certain substances can act as gateways or signal boosters to the brain if you will . . .

What do you guys think?

 

Im not totally sure what a quantum paticles is, anything that is small enough will feel the effects of quantum physics, the transistors powering your computer are reliant on such effects to work, as are the stars to shine. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle allows a system to 'borrow' energy from the universe, the more it borrows the sooner it has to pay it back. There are experimentally verified particle interaction whereby two particles react for a split second the mass of the particles is greater than the mass that entered the system.
This borrowing of energy is due in part a least to zero point energy, no system has 0 energy. This can be seen in 'everyday life' in that Helium is almost impossible to solidify, except using incredibly high pressures. I belive it is this (though this is getting into very heavy stuff and I dont know any details whatsoever) that allows particles to pop in and out of existance for split seconds.
As for particles travelling long distances, there is something called tunellling by which particles can move into regions of space they are not classically allowed. Though the chance of something the size of an electron jumping a metre is infinitessimly small. Though it is very important on the scale of nuclear physics.

There are these wierd and wacky theories like superstring and M-theory that everyone seems to be jumping into these days. They do call for a many dimension universe. The trouble is that so few people understand the theories and there is no way of checking them experimentally. Personally i suspect there are more than the 4 dimensions we're used to but 'seeing' them is along way off. Mostly because of the energy required to see them. To open a 'wormhole' (Contact style) should they exist would require a huge amount of energy far more than we're capable of or will be capacble of for centuries to come. So if any such wormhole were to be open up in real life it would be obvious by the destruction it would cause.

Though, no, I cant prove that there is no way that we can communicate over vast diatances by taking various organic compunds. Though I do find it strange that it only happens with the ones that are mentally incapacitating and known to cause 'visions'. It does potentially violate a few law of physics but they've been wrong before and with any luck will be wrong again. But there is plenty of magic and beauty in the universe without risking 'drain bamage' to find it.

 

I saw a short documentary on TV where hallucinations could be invoked by stimulating the area near the back of the ears with electromagnetic (EM) waves produced by small coils. I don't remember all the details. The strength of the signals was a fraction of that produced by a hair dryer and I think the frequencies were on the order of a few hertz. It's enough to invoke hallucinations.

One subject described a number of visions that he saw during the EM stimulations and the grand finale was that he saw alien beings that looked sort of like wax figures. He said the entire episode was quite scary.

It was suggested that the hallicinations that people claim about being abducted by UFOs may be induced by an electromagnetic events in the area (power lines, electrical machinery, transmitters, etc).

So, chemicals aren't required to induce these types of experiences.

 

Physics and psychology are having a roller coster ride at the moment with plenty of good minds attempting to meld them on one side and plenty of minds defending the classical views.

Arnold Mindel "Quantum Mind" is fairly typical of many people who are singing from same/similar hymn sheet.

http://www.wolframscience.com/ Stephen Wofram
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/home.htm Clifford Pickover (DMT fan)
http://jamaica.u.arizona.edu/~chalmers/ David Chalmers
http://wilber.shambhala.com/ Ken Wilber

http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/
http://www.issc-taste.org/index.shtml
http://www.closertotruth.com/
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/%7Ebdj10/
http://www.meta-religion.com/HomeEnglish.htm
http://www.princeton.edu/%7Epear/2.html

This article might directly relate to what your talking about with alien contact http://www.soultravel.nu/2004/040714-Buchanan/index.asp

 

Something to look into would be quantum nonlocality, which I think you touched on in your post but didn't name specifically. It says that any two particles in a system, that is, that ever interacted together, are connected and can "communicate" instantly between them no matter the distance. This is called nonlocality; locality is the classical idea that two things had to interact again (like billiard balls hitting one another) to exchange information, energy, or anything. The interesting thing is that since all particles, all matter that is, was once connected in one system at the Big Bang, all matter is STILL connected. I don't know what kind of implications this could have, but it's still pretty damn interesting.

http://www.cosmopolis.com/topics/quantum-nonlocality.html

 

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Ironically I have something of a headache tonight so apologies if anything seems disjointed. EM waves/fields (though a wave is just a field of oscillating magnitude) do have huge effects on the human body. That was easy. Obviously our eyes are very sensitive to the 400-800nm (ish) range. Our eyes and sking are very sensitive to the region directly below the visible (UV) causing cataracts and skin cancer respectively. Below UV things are quite hazardous although oddly enough they seem quite happy to pump us full of x-rays everytime we break something and the nurse rather un-nervingly stands behind an inch of lead glass. I haven't heard of specific frequencies (though it doesnt suprise me its low ones, high ones just tend to kill) causing hallucinations although im not in the least suprised.
I do actually have a soft spot for telepathy, I like to think it exists and see no reason it shouldn't. I have a couple of friends who stare at people back on busses and a suprisign amount of the time they turn around, one one occasion they even turned around and said 'WHAT!!!'. Unfortunately this has yet to be experimentally seen in a lab so far it seems nobody is even capable of correctly guessing the flip of a coin when they are trying to see it via someone else. However this thread had more to do with aliens for that the EM interaction alone is a non-starter here, as the EM interaction is restricted to the speed of light.
Back to quantum mechanics. Nonlocality, bleh, is all I have to say. Stems mostly from Bells theorem and another one I cant remember, id look on google but hey. Entanglement is a major part of non-locality, basically a partcle can have its state affected by a particle it isnt interacting with. While these effects doubtlessly happen, the reason is not known, previous theories have been put into doubt. As far as I know there is no 1 mechanism that has been decided on. However I dont think any of the current theories provides a framework for long-distance contact. Quantum physics is distance dependant, so increase the distance and the effects become weaker, usually one you are talking of distance greater then a micrometer, its incredibly hard to see quantum effects except in very carefully controlled conditions. Although personally I still find it incredible that these effects exist at all even if they dont work on stellar distances.

 

I would love to get my hands on some DMT. I practice Shamanism a littlw biut and it is so facsinating the way hallucinagens open your mind and clear all axknowledgement of human society!

 

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Im a 3rd year physics student doing my masters project, hence my rather cryptic occupation description. Unfortunately my knowledge of such psychology tests is purely from a popular science perspective, I have no knowledge of physchology reasearch establishments.
Also you have to entangle the particles in the which although this doesnt help with the faster than light issue it does kinda negate it is a useful form of communication.

 

so where does light come from?

and just WHAT IS a photon?

we are measuring stuff compared to light and yada yada but i think in reality there is an underlying 'nothingness' connecting it all. i really don't know -- its the unexplainable.

I've never encountered alien beings myself -- but i have had mystical experiences that have implied these concepts as being the true reality. It is also what the 'wise' people of the ages all point to -- oneness, love, etc

 

ok well light is an oscillating electric field and magnetic field. In much the same way a water wave is a 'field' of water with varying height. Light is where an electic field and a magnetic field have a varying strength. Light has a wavelength of between about 400 and 800 nanometres, where a nanometre is 0.000000001 metres. A photon is the smallest 'quantity' of light that can be emittted. This was one of the earliest discoveries of quantum physics, the idea that things are quantised (hence the name quantum physics). Things like energy and momentum connot take any value but are restricted by the conditions of the system they are in, its just the levels are far too small for us to notice. It is incidentally where electron 'shells' come rom, the electron is only allowed to take certain positions around the nucleus, the pattern of these levels form the periodic table of elements and chemistry. But photons go much deeper than being the smallest unit of light. When you think of a positive charge and a negative charge some distance apart feeling mutual attraction, how do they know the other is there? I believe the phrase spooky action at a distance has already been used. The exchange of photons, is according to quantum theory, how the particles communicate with each other and they travel at the speed of light which is why all electromagnetic interactions occur at that speed.
Light comes from many things that have a charge the atoms in our body viobrate and emit EM radiation in the IR region hence why the police usually find people on dark cold nights with IR cameras. The wavelength of the light changes as things get hotter, metals in the low thousand degrees vibrate fast enough to give off light and they glow, this is how a non-energy saving old school light bulb works. Very hot metals give off X-rays, this is how hospital x-ray machines get their x-rays (and how old TV's screw u up). There are plenty of other ways to do it as well as the method described above (blackbody radiation).

The Brain. The brain utilises only the electronmagnetic force. If there is a 5th as of yet unknown force, I don't need any 60's types giving me some crap about a life-force please, then the following will be totally wrong. But as of yet there is no evidence whatsoever infact we can explain pretty much everything we see with the 4 we have, we just can't unite them. So I guess that any long distance communication would have to occur using some kind of EM wave. The trouble with this is that we have artificially generated the majority of them and so far so one has experience anything akin to having a bright light shone at them. My trouble is not with the idea of a thought wave, analagous to a radio wave but I can't see where it would fit into the spectrum. There are a few un-used regions but they are closing fast. Drugs as I understand them work but supressing or changing various chemical reactions (vague I know but I believe there are many mechanisms by which they can work). I guess its possible that lost sense could be reactivated but I know nothing like enough as to whether this is possible or (as I suspect) not. The trouble is that many organic chemcials due to similarities with those used by the body are at least mildly carcinogenic, which is why im not big on finding out for myself. I'd like to think its possible and I think we've known theres someone behind us without being able to see or hear them. But I cannot think of a posible physical mechanism. It could be a statistical thing, there are plenty of times I turn around and theres no-one there. Maybe I should be suprised that once in a while I turn round in the middle of a town and see someone.

 

Quatum physics is not nessacary to explain the common feeling of alien contact among DMT smokers.
It's commonality belies the experience. All trips on a particular drug are essentially the same.
In other words, it's a standard biochemical reaction in the human mind. Not real. Llke the bright light one sees when the brain begins to die.

 

Of the forces we know EM is the ONLY force acting on the brain. None of the others work on the length scales to affect the human mind. The other forces act only on the nuclear scale (so even electrons are too far from the nucleus to feel it) or operate on such large scales that u'd need to be roughly the size of a planet (gravity). So the only way the can operate using another intereaction is if there is a force (and accompanying set of particles) that we havent discovered. I suspect that such a force would not intereact with any known particles as we have all interaction observed up to this point contained within the 4 we know of. It would indeed raise the brain (and iological life) to a level of importance in the universe only implied in religion.

 

I didn't address the brain wave issue properly in either post, largely due to lack of knowledge. Heres what I know and how it links to physics. Alpha, Beta, Delta and Theta are the 4 brain wave types (I think). These are essentially low current pules crossing the brain, the frequency of this pulse determines the state of our mind. Theta is indeed the most restful and creative state, apart form Delta but you have to be asleep for that. However all of these are EM interactions from a physics perspective. Which means that any other force in the brain would have to intereact with EM and this (5th force), however this 5th force could not intereact with EM outside of the brain as it would then detectable by electronic equipment. As I say this would be a most mysterious force and im not sure its would be permitted by the current model (called the standard model) of particle physics. Which could be wrong, there are enough people trying to prove it wrong but the standard model is proving to be a stubborn little theory. Im not sure what is and isnt allowed by the finer details of the standard model, but I think any 5th force would blow it clean apart, which many physicists would love to happen.