LSD is probably nothing

compared to the possibilities.

although many of the possibilities of phenylthylamines and tryptamines have been investigated by shuglin, to rest at LSD is not in human spirit at all.

I believe there are a multitude of other possibilities. especially concerning the modification of natural substances.

So this poll asks you what your oppinion/faith is in the matter of drug research.

 

I think there is still much to be discovered. There are already stronger psychedelics out there (ahahuasca comes to mind) but one cool thing about acid is that you can always take a bunch, then stroll around your neighborhood or a park or something and have a good time. It's not always easy to walk around on stronger psychedelics (or a bunch of good acid, I suppose).

 

I voted the 3rd one!

 

I would say that the second, third and fourth one are all true in their own ways.

 

shulgin says we'll discover thousands more in the next half century...
so, we'll se...

 

I voted for the third one. I'm not sure how many other chemicals there are that can alter our brain in profound--and enjoyable--ways, especially ones that don't have unwanted consequences. So although it is possible we will find other, more powerful chemicals that we are willing to ingest, I also think it's very likely the LSD will always be one of the most renown.

 

I tend to think we shouldn't bother with looking for more psychedelics until we can make better use of the ones we have. Sort of like how working to increase television or video game technology shouldn't be done until people aren't dying of simple starvation. We should take care of the most pressing social problems first. But I guess it could be argued that psychedelics are a key element to solving these social problems, in which case I'd still say we should prove this point by working with the ones we have until we have the luxury to spend our resources on further research.

 

LSD is ultimate, there's no point in looking any further, it is the point, the purpose, the goal, etc. Nothing is better than it - if you don't think acid is ultimate you haven't tripped out all the way, you haven't let it take its full effect - the environment must be ideal and you must let go of everything

 

DMT, although shorter, is a psychadelic much stronger than LSD.

 

have you got experience with other psychedelic substances?
i myself, being a product of the pluralistic society i live in, tend to think its a matter of personal preference and though i lack personal experience DMT sounds pretty spectacular

 

we are all tripping on DMT.
it occurs endogenously.
when you meet it, you will see
how ancient, and futuristic it is.

it was planted here by super intelligence.
no doubt.

 

I don't think we're all tripping on DMT. Whoever planted it here wasn't superintelligent enough to make it not make you sick. I know 'la purga' is romanticized, but come on, it would be a lot cooler if ayahuasca didn't make you sick.

 

^ DMT doesn't make you sick. Ayahuasca does.
DMT can be taken a number of ways without sickness inducing MAO inhibitors.
You probably already know this.

Anyways, I totally agree that it would be cool if "La Purga" didn't exist.

 

it doesn't matter what you think, fact is stalk is right, we are all tripping on DMT even though at very low amounts. It is released in larger amounts when we sleep, causing dreams. extremely large amounts are released upon birth and death.

 

i believe every chemical that can possibly be synthesized already exsits in nature and has not been discovered yet....toad venom contains 5-meo-dmt.....fish excrete amonia....i believe every chemical can be synthed and that it can also be found in nature...there are hundreds of thousands of undiscovered species of plants in the rain forest, and i think every chemical is in every plant or animal somewhere on our planet...its just a question of which we discover first...the animal/p[lant that contains the chemical, or the recipe to produce it....but yea one man (shulgin) created well over 50 chemical (74 or 174..i think) and its crazy to say that hes the only chemical geniouse who will ever create mind altering chemicals again.....

 

Sorry to swerve off topic, but what are some easy to find non-sickness inducing mao inhibitors that can be taken with the bark brew to avoid having to purge?

 

I dont think it matters.

Personally, all drugs have shown me the same thing, just in different ways.

 

Low amounts do not cause trips. I'm aware that the chemical is present in your brain, but I don't understand your motivation for overemphasizing its significance. That's like saying, 'THC occurs naturally in your brain in tiny amounts, so we're all stoned all the time'.

 

^ there are none that I know of. You can extract and purify syrian rue down to pure harmine and harmaline and then take that along with DMT, making what they call "pharmahuasca". But even still, I'm guessin if you are predisposed to nausea with MAO inhibitors (as I seem to be), then even this method will likely result in the purge.

For someone like myself, I'd imagine the only way to ingest dmt without sickness would be to avoid MAOIs altogether (ie by smoking, etc, pure dmt).

 

Why does everyone think LSD is this amazing super psychedelic. It's no better than shrooms......