Can acid really screw you up?

Your post is FALSE, and should be dismissed as incorrect information.

and like 36fuckin5 said, I wont post a ton of links proving you wrong, but I will say this:

LSD actually was used successfully in the 1940’s, when found to be a possible treatment for schizophrenia.

so NO, it CANT screw you up.

Also, nowadays people dont even know if it IS even LSD they are taking, so when someone has crazy reactions, keep in mind they may not have even taken LSD...

IGNORANCE IS BLISS.

 

And if you don't want do your own research, don't be a vag on the forum.
This isn't fear-mongering, this is real. Does someone in your family or even you have a documented case of schizophrenia? Then maybe you don't want to gobble up 10 hits at once. Maybe you want to do some more research and think about what your doing. Most of us aren't schizophrenic and wont be. And otherwise this is one of the safest drugs and for me the most important in my life.
Let me know if you find those links.
Here's the info from errowid.

A diagnostic issue dealth with explicitly in only a few papers is that of LSD-precipitated major functional illnesses, e.g. affective disorders or schizophrenia. In other words, many of these so called LSD psychoses could be other illnesses that were triggered by the stress of a traumatic psychedelic drug experience. Some of the same methodological issues described earlier affect these studies, but they are, on the averagem better controlled, with more family and past psychiatric history available for comparison.

Hensala et al. compared LSD-using and non-LSD-using psychiatric inpatients. They found that this group of patients was generally of a younger age and contained more characteristically disordered individuals than the non- LSD-using group. Patients with specific diagnoses with or without LSD histories were not compared. Based on their observations, they concluded that LSD was basically just another drug of abuse in a population of frequently hospitalized individuals in the San Francisco area, and that it was unlikely that psychedelic use could be deemed etiological in the development of their psychiatric disorders.

Roy, Breakey et al., and Vardy and Kay have attempted to relate LSD use to the onset and revelopment of a schizophrenia-like syndrome. A few comments regarding this conceptual framework seem in order, before their findings are discussed. The major factor here is that of choosing schizophrenia, or in the Vardy and Kay study, schizophreniform disorders, as the comparison group. There is an implication here that LSD psychoses are comparable, phenomenologically, to schizophrenia-like disorders, and that LSD can "cause" the development of such disorders. The multiplicity of symptoms and syndromes described in the "adverse reaction" literature should make it clear that LSD can cause a number of reactions that can last for any amount of time--from minutes to, possibly, years. I believe what is being studied here is the question of the potential role of LSD in accelerating or precipitating the onset of an illness that was "programmed" to develop ultimately in a particular individual--in a manner comparable to the major physical or emotional stress that often precipitates a bona fide myocardial infarction in an individual with advanced coronary atheresclerosis. The stress did not _cause_ the heart disease; it was only the stimulus that accelerated the inexorable process to manifest illness.

In looking at the relevant studies, Breakey et al. found that schizophrenics who "used drugs" had an earlier onset of symptoms and hospitalization than non-drug-using schizophrenics, and had possibly better premorbid personal- ities than non-drug using patients (although Vardy and KAy have challenged this analysis of Breakey's data).

Bowers compared 12 first-admission patients with psychosis related to LSD use, requiring hospitalization and phenothiazines, to 26 patients hospital- ized and treated with phenothiazines with no history of drug use. Six of these controls had been previously hospitalized. Drug-induced psychotic patients were found to have better premorbib histories and prognostic indicators than the nondrug groups. There was no difference in rates of family history of psychiatric illness. However, several issues flaw this study. One is the poly-drug abusing nature of the "LSD-induced" psychotic patients, compared to the controls. The role of LSD, therefore, in causing or precipitating these symptomatic disorders, is open to dispute. The other is the lack of an adequate comparison control group, i.e. the controls were specified only as "psychotic," and did not necessarily match the LSD group in either symptoms or diagnostic classification. A follow-up study of the patients occured between 2 and 6 years later. One half did well and one half did poorly, although the lack of a control group for a follow-up in a similarly symptomatic control group makes interpretation of the data difficult.

Roy, in a somewhat different design, compared chronic schizophrenic patients (diagnosed according to DSM-III criteria) who had used LSD within the week preceding hospitalization, and found no difference in age of symptom onset or hospitalization compared to patients without a history of illicit drug use.

Vardy and Kay, in an elegant study with a 3- and 5- year follow-up period, demonstrated that patients hospitalized for a schizophrenic picture that developed within two weeks of LSD use (patients with other diagnoses were explicitly excluded form comparisons with non-drug-using schizophrenics) were "fundamentally similar to schizophrenics in geneology, phenomenology, and course of illness (165, p. 877). Pre- morbid adjustment, age of onset of symptoms and hospitalization, family history of psychosis or suicide, and most cognitive features were also equal between groups. Family histories of alcohol abuse were markedly great in the LSD group.

I believe these data, taken as a whole, limited as they are in terms of comparing subgroups (i.e. LSD-using vs. non-LSD-using) of "schizophrenia- like" disorders, point towar, at most, a possible precipitory role in the development of these disorders, in a non specific and not etiologically related manner.

 

actually, how you control your mind has everything to do with everything.

 

This is from salon.com's health section

Read the whole thing before you go to reply. This is not a black and white issue.

Nevertheless, there are some hazards to using LSD. The most common problem is a bad trip: a feeling of intense fear about being in a scary experience that you can't control, and lasts for hours. LSD is very unpredictable: A person can have an enjoyable trip one time, and a scary one the next time. A visit to the ER and an anxiolytic drug like Valium usually takes care of bad trip. Another obvious hazard is the possibility that you may do something that will hurt you, like jump off a building because you think you can fly. There are many accounts of injuries and some deaths in people who were under the influence of LSD, so you should take this seriously.

Now, on to the schizophrenia-LSD connection. Virtually everybody knows somebody who took LSD and went "permanently insane." This story may be urban myth. But there is some evidence that LSD can trigger a psychotic episode in someone who is already schizophrenic, or it can trigger the first episode in someone who is going in that direction. Since the onset of schizophrenia usually happens during early adulthood, when people are first experimenting with LSD, it can seem like LSD caused the disease. That is not necessarily the case.

Most scientific research has not shown a measurable increase in the incidence of schizophrenia in people who have used LSD. However, some studies have reported psychosis after LSD use in people who were reportedly normal beforehand. In addition, some people have a temporary but severe psychiatric disturbance that lessens over time. We also know that there are more hallucinogen users in psychiatric hospitals than the population at large. So, we are left with the chicken-and-egg question: Did LSD make them crazy or do psychotic people take LSD more frequently than healthy people? The percent of LSD users who wind up with severe psychiatric problems is very small (1 to 5 percent by most estimates), but it is not zero, so there is some risk.

Far more common than the schizophrenia-LSD connection are flashbacks or "post hallucinogen perceptual disorder," which occurs in 30 percent to 50 percent of regular LSD users. They are not usually full hallucinations, but visual disturbances like wavering patterns or images in your peripheral vision. Sometimes they are so severe that they are disabling. Flashbacks usually dwindle with time once someone stops using LSD, but it can take months or even years.

So, the most likely thing users will experience is a bad trip. There is a small likelihood that they will experience more severe psychiatric disturbances, but chances are that a person who was healthy beforehand will remain so. Since schizophrenia does show a strong genetic component, we would certainly advise anyone who has a relative with the disease to avoid the drug. Of course, those with previous psychiatric problems should stay away from LSD and other hallucinogens.

 

This quote I found as the first entry after a google search on lsd and schizophrenia. It's from www.coolnurse.com. They thought that it would be a possible treatment because of the similarities in the compounds present in the brain.

 

^ THANK YOU for posting all of that.

SO the answer to this thread is:

NO, ACID CAN'T REALLY SCREW YOU UP.

unless, you have psychological problems from your past, which will be brought out with a good dose of LSD, and may scare you, but the key is to relax because in the end, it may cure what is causing said psychological problems

 

Hahahahaha or you'll be like Syd Barrett. Which might not be all that bad, right vegetable man?

 

If you're taking LSD to get "fucked up" like other drugs (uppers/downers), that's when I feel it will screw you up.

If you are educated about LSD, and know what it's general affects will have on you, you can benefit from it.

People were stupid, people abused it, people freaked, people couldn't handle it, people made it illegal, people still do it, people spread false rumors about it, people remain ignorant, people never learn

some people are smart.

 

Well if we don't know the "acid" we take is LSD, then that applies to the OP's question as well, since neither does he. That means that taking "acid" CAN screw you up.


And yes it CAN screw you up, it's been documented. I'm all about legalization and all that, but quit living in the little dream workd that it's completely harmless and it's all gravy, if it's gonna be legalized people need to take some responsibility.

LSD CAN screw you up just like anything, including cheeseburgers can.

 

Is the whole Jaw Clenching/Tension factor something that comes with the majority of trips? I used to have TMJ, and I've managed to stop grinding/clenching my teeth. As such I don't want to bring back any problems I've had with TMJ. Thanks.

 

lsd can screw you up for sure. that not to say it WIll, but it CAN.

ive had only one trip before, and i felt it enlightened me and possibly elevated my mood for the following week.

however, i know a 46-year old friend of mine who took it back in 70s or 80s sometime, and it gave her a bad trip that really stuck with her for the next 10 years or so. (flashbacks were just part of it)

if you want to do it, do a moderate dose and have an optimistic attitude. if you abuse it, it will return the favor.

 

LSD Can screw you up.


You don't need some bullshit statistic you pulled off the internet to prove that it does'nt.

Think about this.

How many chemicals exist that we know of that can't screw you up?

Zero.


But besides that, how can you truly believe that something that has the power to help cure people's mental illnesses can't possibly have a negative side effect as well?

Acid CAN "screw you up". FACT.

 

How about oxygen? Water? Just cause it's not man-made doesn't mean it's not chemical.

No, dude, stop saying "FACT" like you know it all. You don't. But I can tell you that I've dropped a good bit of L in my life, eaten shit-tons of mushrooms, DMT a few times, mescaline, RCs and they did nothing but help. And yes, I am predisposed to schizophrenia. I have a few family members with it. I've also been diagnosed as chronically depressed with suicidal and homicidal tendencies.

 

I think maybe this guy was screwed up in the first place. Or, maybe it wasn't really acid that he tried. Or maybe this is a fabricated story?

 

Too much oxygen/water can kill you too. FACT.


And read the post dude, I'm not saying that it will mess you up, I'm saying it can.


You saying that there is ZERO CHANCE that acid could EVER have ANY type of negative effect AT ALL, NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL, FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE, NOT IN THIS UNIVERSE, then your just being close minded.



If you represent the majority of people that take a liking to LSD then no wonder it's illegal.

 

Ok then, good luck with that.

Thank you. No matter how safe any drug is there is a possibility of something happening. If you smoke blunts constantly your still depositing a lot of crap into your lungs that should not be there. Now it's not like you would be able to overdose on marijuana but there are some negatives there as well. LSD has some negative effects reported that do not just fall into the "Bad trip" category. No one is saying to stop doing anything or be afraid, but to think and wade in.

There are certain things we do when we drive cars to minimize the risk of an accident. We don't just get in our cars and drive as fast as possible without looking at the road and expect nothing bad to happen.

Thats all!
Im done with this thread.

 

So, if you're screwed up in the first place, leave acid alone or expect a bigger ride than you expect or want?

 

No, don't "expect" anything, no matter who you are.


I mean what can someone tell you that's really worth trusting?

It's been shown that people with schizo in their family history very often develop schizo themselves after taking LSD. So that's one thing.


The odds are that most people can take alot of LSD, without ever having any problems. There are people who've been "messed up" and psychotic all their life(as in being 30 years old and not able to develop friendships, leave their parents house, or even go outside etc. ) and were treated with a large LSD dose when decades of conventional psychotherapy did nothing, and became normal, went out got a job, appartment, etc.

But there is no science to determine how a particular person is gonna react. You can't predict. Odds are you'll love it or hate it but it won't harm you. But there is a small chance it could have lasting damage. Anything that has been used in therapy in the past that can help people with their mental illnesses, can also possibly hurt you. And you could also possibly just have a great time on it. Makes sense, no?

 

They're neither. My friend also had a joint that his fake arse friend soaked in LSD, it was his first go at it too so the guy made him pay for every drug in it he just didn't know that it was over priced.
Difference is my mate isn't completely fucked over, he was perfectly fine; just got put of weed for a little while because he had a trip he wasn't expecting and did some stupid things.

 

Nope, sorry, not gonna happen.

The LSD-25 molecule is destroyed by heat, especially the extreme temps of burning cannabis.

I suggest you do some research as long as your online.