Horrific Hiroshima Photos Found!

yep,know what you mean Skip! I have similar photos (and plenty of'em)upstairs we took in Oahu just prior to that...oh wait..seems many of those same innocent people were all for doing similar destruction to our forces at Pearl,most of whom up to that point,their only crimes were eating crappy food and standing guard over a shipyard...yes it's tragic. Both ways..but just before your photos were taken ,that now famous Japaneese commander uttered the quote (to paraphrase)"oops,I think we fucked up and pissed in the wrong yard"...they learned the hard way for sure. Hopefully we all learn from such routes and do better. If you're looking for Nirvana, you wont find it on earth. Not then,and not now and not in the future. As long as man runs things,there'll be men somewhere who want to destroy other men. Some countries hate us not for politics but just because we "have" things!Im sure if you had(have?)a little girl who liked playing in the yard innocently,and then you found out there was a child molester living next door who had been heard uttering the idea of fondling her, I dare say you'd try to do "something" to stop it.Now imagine having to sit by and do nothing thinking about that constantly,after the police tell you there's nothing they can do untill he does something. No way to live huh?....pray for society in general. Your time will be well spent.

 

To this day i still believe dropping the nuclear bombs was wrong. If you're gonna have a war, stick to fighting each other, not the civilians. YES, they did attack Pearl harbor, but at least they still didn't attack civilians. And a nuclear bomb was worse than anything they could have done to us. People's skin was BURNED off ALIVE. Children suffered horrible painful deaths that we will never even imagine. And what about the future generations affected by the nuclear radiation? How was that fair? oh yes, Japan was so terrible that children made paper cranes because they had cancer and other horrible diseases from the radiation.
http://www.sadako.org/sadakostory.htm
I wish this book was sent to everyone who took part in this atrocity AND their families to show that these were the "terrible" people they destroyed.
Did she deserve to die? Did any of those innocent people deserve to die? Was it worth it?
NO
NEVER AGAIN

 

yeah of course we should have just invaded japan, resulting in at least a 20fold in deaths, and MANY more civilians would have been killed in the fighting, are you so naive as to think if they invaded more people from both the military and the civilian populace would not have died... bullets and bombs and the naval blockade don't just kill soldiers... and they were engaged in total war... their people were in factories building weapons so they were just a part of the war as anyone, ( and don't give me they were forced thing so were the soldiers)

 

The May 2002 Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty (SORT) commits the United States and Russia to each lower their strategic operational forces to less than 2,200 strategic warheads by 2012, which is when the treaty expires. Should there be a follow-on treaty to SORT, and how low should the numbers go? Find out here>
http://www.armscontrol.org/

 

Exactly.

And this is World War II we're talking about. Civilians were seen as legitimate targets. Killing them would hurt moral, manufactoring, and the war effort in general. And every country involved fought against civilians, not only America.

 

You seriously need to read this and learn a little more about what the Japanese were up to in WWII. And ask yourself if you would have sent your grandfather (or mine, or someone else's) to invade Japan rather than drop the bomb.

 

There's a reason that the Chinese hate the Japanese so much...

 

That's not what I was saying. I was just pointing out that in the context of World War II, the US action wasn't unjustifiable. During that war EVERY nation attacked civilians, it was common practice. If the a-bomb was an atrocity, what about the Rape of Shanghai, or the bombing of Dresden, or the V-2 missile strikes on England, or the Baatan Death March? You're singleing out one tragedy out of a war full of them.

And undoubtably the atomic bomb DID spare both American and Japanese lives by bringing an early peace.

The situation in Iraq and Iran is different. Neither country is actively attempting to destroy this one. In WWII it was unconditional war; we're going to destroy your country, you're going to destroy ours. That's the difference.

 

How would you have made the Japanese surrender and stop their conquest of the pacific?

 

skip, stop bringing iraq into this, thats a seriously weak counter argument... actually its not even an argument, you completely avoided all my points

 

And are you suggesting that Japanese imperialism is bad, while British, French, German, Russian, American imperialism are not?

 

I am asking him exactly what the question states.

 

And why shouldn't this current Iraq war not allowed to be brought into this bombing of Hiroshima thread?

In the bombing of Hiroshima, the Pentagon actually dropped a weapon of mass destruction to justify the killing of thousands of people. An act of terrorism.

In this Iraq war, the Pentagon justified the killing of thousands of people in a search for illusory weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, that did not exist.
Also, an act of terrorism.

The common denominator to all this is that, the origins of these weapons of mass destruction reside in the minds running the Pentagon all along.

It proves validity to the government spin, that terrorism is bad, if the little guy or people who live in far away lands does it, while terrorism is OK, as long as your government does it.

 

Well, American imperialism in Japan. Lets see, we set them up with a democratic capitalist government that is now one of the great economic and political successes of the 20th century. Japan today is a peaceful, prosperous, free nation.

Japan, in their occupation of Asian countries, enslaved the local population for forced labour and prostitution. They massacred civilians by the hundreds of thousands on more than one occasion, and experimented with biological or chemical weapons on civilians or POWs. The total civilian death toll stretches well into the millions.

Had we invaded Japan, the death toll in civilians and soldiers on the Japanese would have been a multiple of what it was with the atomic bomb. The allied death toll could have stretched into the hundreds of thousands - Okinawa alone cost 12,500 US lives.

Nobody will address these realities, blaming America is the answer to everything.

 

In the eyes of the men that used the weapon. It was a weapon to end all wars. In my opinion if the united states had another agenda to rule the world by attacking civilian targets with atomic bombs why didnt they? Im not sure what the argument is. Has anyone here seen how conventional bombing is done? Whats the difference in fire power. A Bomb is a Bomb.. Little or big was the pun intended.. Man is a weapon. Man kills more than any weapon ever built by man alone.
Im all of history that im aware of WWII was the most racist war and the most offensive on all to people living in the United States,Locking up Japanese civilian in the US but allowing German immigrants to live normal lives. Why did they not use the weapon also on Germany? I mean they could of said one here and one there. They devised a plan in my opinon to eradicat a single race. I wouldnt call that fair play at all.. Had a Japanees scientist made the bomb for the US would things have play out differently? Then the Atomic bomb was really thought as a whole lot of TNT. Measured in units as such, They didnt see it as anything special. Intill the death toll continued to rise .
Saddams' use of nerve gas on Kurds was just as nasty and images of death and distruction with forever plague the new civlization as long as we keep looking at them. As long as the weapon exist We will need these images to remind us not to use them. Have they fallen into the wrong hands thats something else to concider, I wouldnt blame America all the time since that not even being specfic. There are 2 Americas North and South..
Then again South America couldnt possable influence anything in the world then or today? but how many Nazi fled to South America.
ok Im out of gas.... theres a little read>
http://www.asianamericanbooks.com/newslets/nl0405.htm

 

And what is the price paid by the Japanese for all "these great economic and political successes" which by the way is due more to the hard work, ability and perseverance of the Japanese themselves.

Among others, the price is the establisnment of American military bases in order perhaps, in order to "protect" this "great economic and political success", but it didn't protect Japanese women and young girls from being raped by the misfits in the U.S. military.


US marine charged with Okinawa rape
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/25/usa.japan?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews

 

Once again, the hypocrisy of the government, then and now comes into play.

During World War II American citizens of Japanese ancestry were forced into concentration camps.

If however, the government applied the same rule to American citizens of Italian or German ancestry, then they would have had to incarcerate half the population of New York City, or even General Dwight Eisenhower himself. LOL.

Japanese-American Internment
http://www.42explore2.com/japanese.htm