So I took mdma for the first time last weekend at a rave. Great time. But a couple questions, first of all it seems like, as long as you don't OD, you won't have a bad time on MDMA. Is it possible to have a bad trip? Second, on the comeup I started to get a bit anxious, worried. At which point I decided to take the advice of someone else here 'dance it off'. Which I did, right up to front of the stage at which point everything turned glorious. I'm wondering, is it possible to get on an anxious worried vibe the whole trip? Or was that just typical half-way up feelings that always go away? Or was I heading on a worried trip, but by getting into the center of the crowd I absorbed there good energy and changed it? I'm asking this cause my time on E was pure bliss, I got the idea that I might want to take E then just roll through some dance clubs sometime. But I'm worried that, the vibe and positive energy can't possibly be nearly anywhere as good as it is at a real euphoric rave. So is it possible I might get on a bad vibe by getting into a bad dance club? Or like I said before, is it just not possible to have a bad time on E? Now I ended up taking 6 and a half pills. Which it's now 3 days later and I still get what I read described somewhere else as 'electric buzzing' or waves of numbness run up me. I also seemed to of got a cold at the rave, which I imagine is also contributing to this. But I read somewhere else that someone who had taken 6 also managed to have that electric buzzing, numb rolling feeling for like a week afterwards. I don't intend to ever take more than 3 in a night again, typically I'm very self controlled about drugs, but I just didn't want to stop rolling that night... But I'm just curious, will any left over effects from just 3 be gone by the next day? Also, whats the frequency you can safely do this? I've heard people say every 2 months... twice a year. Anyone with experience that can honestly say they've not had issues from there amount of intake? I really would like to avoid multiple day left over effects as well.
As far as the anxious feeling throughout your roll I wouldnt be worried. THe sam thing happened to me cause i didnt know what to expect but every time i have rolled since i have been perfect. 6 rolls is a lot and you never no whats in them. More likely then not the roll you took was somewhat dirty which is perfectly fine. A lot of rolls contain meth so it gives that energy but the comedown off the rolls is nasty at times and expected. That vibrating feeling, soar throat, dry ass mouth hurts etc. You basically feel cracked out but thats the price you pay if you want to roll especially hard. Once a month is what i here from just about anyone. Just be careful though
It's possible to have a bad experience with any drug. Dehydration and mixing drugs comes to mind first regarding MDMA. I think a lot of "bad trips" on any drug are due to interactions with other drugs the person is taking and they never mention it to anyone. Stuff like antidepressants, antianxiety meds, hell even stuff for acne or anything really. Mixing stuff can lead to a bad time and is usually uncharted territory when it comes to perscription stuff.
^erowid.org has contraindications about potential bad rx drug/E interactions. Ry, your original question is old by now but I've got these rolls and I don't know whether I should take one tonight so I'm reading these threads. I think it's possible to have a bad trip on them, but generally because of stuff that would be a bummer even if you were on no drugs. Like someone had to go to the hospital, it would be hard to roll well after that...pretty obvious example. But going around to regular clubs rolling? tough question...I'm sure more seasoned rollers can do it fine. I went to a club rollin a bit and it wasn't a rave-like environment. I was so horny but I seemed a fool when I talked to girls. During a more mild roll when you're just really sociable and things you want to say just come out without being filtered; i could see going to regular clubs for that. I was always the life of the party in any situation on E
first got to say good call on not wanting to take six in one night again... bad idea especially for your first time. The way I see things is that one pill SHOULD be one dose, but that rarely ever happens. And I don't think it really is possible to have a bad roll as long as you don't end up in the hospital and you aren't by yourself. I actually have never rolled in a rave/dance club environment so I can't really compare to my experiences of just running wild downtown, or chilling with some friends at a party, even though all of those times have been real fun. As far as how often, in order to not have any real damage they say you should keep your rolling 3-4 times a year. I would think once every month or two is plenty safe as well. But even once every 2 weeks - a month you might notice some differences in yourself depending on the quality of the pills. Somebody once told me on here the bare minimum is once a week, but I think the damages are waaay worse then the benefits if your doing it that much, I had a spurt of every week for about 2 months. I saw my grades suffer, and people started thinking i was on tweak or summat (i def was on tweak, just didn't like to think about it. god damn methbombs fuckshit)
Interesting responses, and good cautions. I'll try to chime in here to dispel a few myths. First, MDMA does not cause permanent damage, as far as can be told. A recent study,a very accurate and controlled one, showed all the effects were reversible, and that serotonin receptors were not damaged.. only overtaxed for a few hours to the tune of 5% reduction. Second, a good interval is 4+ weeks. If you take 5-HTP 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, hydrate well, get some electrolytes into you, eat some bananas (I love banana milkshakes) and get some good 8 hour sleep sessions, in a month you'll be ready to go. 6 weeks is better, but a month should be fine if you are otherwise healthy and NOT TAKING other drugs to an abusive level. Including getting drunk on alcohol. Alcohol + MDMA severely taxes your system, ruins your roll, and if you drink enough alcohol with MDMA can cause kidney trouble. So don't do it. The 5-HTP isn't strictly necessary if you eat some l-Tryptophan foods (look online for the list) along the way. Taking more than a regular dose plus one "booster" is a waste.. the empathic effects wear off and all you are left with is a speedy sort of feeling. You end up pissing out most of the MDMA as well once you go over the 2mg/kg of body weight level. If you want a speedy tail to your roll, take MDMA along with MDA. Then an MDMA booster at about 1.5 hours (dont take a lot of MDA.. it lasts for 8 hours+) Also though it isn't possible technically to "overdose" on MDMA, if you take a lot it WILL make you feel shitty for a long time afterwards, as your body tries to cope with the overtaxing, but it's the same sort of wear and tear as if you had stayed up for 3 days straight. It's not indicative of brain damage. Just chill out, sleep well, eat well and you should be ok in a few days to a week. Don't drink too much water even if you think you are thirsty.. a pint an hour (one small bottle) is fine unless you are dancing your ass off. And make sure you have electrolytes in the stuff you are drinking. Thats it.
I don't think it's possible to have a bad trip on MDMA. I can have the shittiest life circumstances ever and still be euphoric when I take it. But those were good, mostly pure pills. With the shitty pills that are going around now that have speed and shit in them, you sure can have a bad time. I had a few of the worst nights of my life on that stuff. I felt like I was in an alternate universe and wanted to die. I don't even think they sell mostly pure MDMA pills anymore, at least not where I live.
it is totally possible to have a bad trip on X. I dont handle uppers too well, and my first time on X was horrible. I wigged out and thought I was going to die the entire night. At one point I had even convinced myself that I was in hell. If that isnt' a bad trip then I dont know what is. Add to the fact that I was dry heaving for about 2 hours, so cold I was shivering even under a blanket, and having guilt problems imagining what my mom was going to think when she found out I died from X....yeah...it was a rough night.
It IS definately to have a bad roll...but there are steps to prevent a bad roll, most of which has been covered (i.e.-hydrating, trying to stay generally healthy, only rolling about once a month or so, etc. etc. etc.) But MDMA, in my experience, is a lot like drinking in the fact that a significant portion of the great feeling while on it is contributed to by your mood before you start. If you're depressed or angry or just in a bad mood before drinking, the alcohol is just going to accentuate that. I find that planning ahead and building a level of anticipation and excitement really helps. Don't anticipate what will happen throughout the night, cuz 9/10 times, things don't go as plan, only plan on having a great time, no matter what. A certain level of atarexia is also extremely helpful, which the MDMA accentuates, and is like complete euphoria.
IMO i would never take more than one a night. i borrowed this book from wonka and it says 4 times a year rolling is a good amount to do it responacibity and you wont loose the magic as most do by over doing the drug. i had the same feeling of being worried and scared a little but i think thats due to trying a new substance and evenchally you stop caring about it and realize youre haveing a awesome super fantastic time. if you keep on thinking its going to be bad, then yeah sure you can have a bad roll but you just gotta be around good times. i took mdma (really shitty stuff that i got) and ended up being extreamly annoyed by one of my friends i dont really like and that lasted for about half of the roll. ive learned through the come down on both mdma and e that smoking a few hits will help with going to sleep or feeling better. i didnt drink anything when i was on e and i was fine until the morning when my tounge and gums hurt a lot. it was probably due to not chewing in gum or not drinking but it went a way like 2 days later
You couldn't of been as bad as me. I actually tried to logically talk a lesbian back into being straight and upon failing that, in my ecstacy induced jesus like glory of "I can control the whole world" declared that there was nothing to be caught up on because there "are no genitals" at this level of existence while attempting to give her and her friend a big group hug. Needless to say, they ran off thinking I was some sex crazed maniac, the girl dragging the guy friend with them cause I think she thought in my current state I might actually of reverted to homosexuality to satisfy what she probably thought was a desperate need for sex. Ya I'm not joking... that actually happened. If it wasn't for the fact I remember it like a distant dream, it would probably rank as one of the most embarrassing moments ever. Interesting thing though, I wasn't ever really sexually aroused, I just kind wanted a massage and to roll on the floor or something. Wish I could apologize to those people. Oh... ya that probably contributed. For whatever reason upon entering into bars after the rave I easily found myself being given free alcohol. I ended up with a couple shots of tequila and a large dark beer in me. Truth be told, Later in the night for whatever reason I managed to find myself in the position of being offered crack... which I took... ya, I had absolutely no self control. I really wasn't expecting E to do that. It's interesting that its not like a lack of inhibitions, but rather just an overwhelming urge to need to do EVERYTHING in existence. So like 6 pills, alcohol, crack and a cocaine marijuana joint later I was honestly tripping full balls, walking around the city, full audio hallucinations, closed my eyes and I would instantly see alternate spaces materialize like I was in another dimension, all the streets waving around and geometry pouring out of my feet. I was still seeing subtle geometry overlaying everything and could still close my eyes and watch a dream/alternate dimension materialize behind my eyelids for like the next 1-2 days... ANYWAYS, DONT DO WHAT I DID. I will never mix E with anything ever again... or take more than 3 pills. Honestly I think I'll try to limit myself to 2. Cause looking back on the thing now, that whole night actually put me into a funk that lasted like 2 weeks. That electric buzzing sound in the ear lasted a whole week and I've been going through alot of really odd mood swings the past two weeks with rather fucked up dreams, questioning all these things about myself, almost like a slight gradual ego-loss... It all seems to of subsided now and balanced out though. But I mean It wasn't THAT bad cause I know how to remain calm and content through some rather extreme states... but still don't wanna repeat that. Do not do what I did... although the whole story of that night was a helluva story... it was not quite worth it. But I can offer words of encouragement that if anyone does happen to get yourself into a ecstacy fueled drug frenzy running around downtown in a big city, then break into like full psychotic break and full on tripping. Don't worry, you can still come back... how I didn't get stabbed or mugged that night however I do not know cause by the end of the night I was running around and talking to what I now recognize as the nightly crack dealers and addicts in china town. I think my overly empathetic self kind of freaked them out or something.... Just kinda popped their brain and they didn't know what the fuck to do. Anyways, gonna be rollin again at above and beyond in seattle this friday, anyone goin to that?
