"You guys are into the whole political bullshit". I assumed from that comment that you were A-political, and with this I suggested that anyone who is A-political not vote. I don't see how that's an insult. Anyway, if you feel the need to argue politics with me, that's fine. Exchanging insults isn't something in which you'll ever see me partake.
haha, yeah, I'm a weakling. I wouldn't do well for our country anyhow. I'd go to war if I really had to, but that's a pretty far-off thing, I hope...**fingers crossed**. It's funny to hear hippie Dan call Bush a coward for using his father to get him into the guard when we all know we'd have jumped ship the minute we heard of the war. Again,though, I don't think Bush should be doing any questioning of Kerry's war-record or his motivation for volunteering. Cyber, I know that this is between you and Ingadadavida, but I'd like to say that because you were on active duty doesn't mean you're necessarily correct on any political issue involving the military or military service. With that said, we're (the weaklings) are all proud of you for being a spartan and for making it through boot-camp. That's certainly nothing I could do. Ingada, don't feel too bad, I'm a sissy and I'd not volunteer for war either.
So you haven't really accomplished anything yourself and you worship a rich Texas asshole who dodged the draft and got out of fighting in Vietnam by getting a cushy job flying obsolete planes that were never going to combat. News Flash Inagadawhatever >>>>>>> You are the dipshit. http://www.awolbush.com All Hail the Joke on Coke.
Do you think that's a real lawsuit? heh, no, ofcourse not. This one "independent 527" in particular was not independent whatsoever. We all know the motivations behind them. Admiral Elliott was actually one of the men who put Kerry up for his Silver star. I find that ironic and very backward. But, like I said, we all know who was behind the Swift Boat Vets for Lies.
Back on topic. Actually Bush is a peice of shit, cowardly scumbag, not just yer run o' the mill cowardly scumbag, but a real peice of shit example of one. That'll be all for now. Oh and, the Bush administration can go fuck itself. Trin
Cyberfly-I'm a military veteran (active duty USAF 1989-1991); USAF reserves 2000-2003, but recalled to active duty for the war on terrorism--sent to Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; went to Iraq to work with the Coalition Provisional Authority. So, with that being said, am I a coward? You believe that George W. Bush lied, even though the King of Jordon, Britian, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Egypt, and the entire U.S. intelligence apparatus said the very same thing about Iraq? What should Bush have done? Wait and hope that Saddam listens to the 18th U.N. resolution? Maybe the first 17 resolutions were just a warning, but perhaps the 18th would have done it. I just thank God that folks like you, those who believe in appeasement, are not in power. I thank God that Winston Churchill didn't listen to Prime Minister Chamberlain, because if he had, the Nazi's would have won. Oh, and after Pearl Harbor, why did the United State attack Germany AND Japan? You say that Saddam didn't have anything to do with 9/11...but the President of the United States says that Iraq is part of the war on terror. But in your case, Bush lied, and can't be trusted with anything. You folks said the SAME things about Lincoln, Churchill, Truman, Eisenhower, and Ronald Reagan. When history is written, you folks will again be on the wrong side of history. Again.
No, but if you used the National Guard as a way to avoid combat in Vietnam I would say you were. You know damn well that the type of aircraft Chicken George was trained to pilot was not going to Vietnam. George never left Texas. There are a lot of veterans who served more that Bush. Those Texans must have felt really safe knowing that George was keeping their borders safe from the Viet Kong, except when he was completely AWOL. No one seems to know where he was in 1972. He certainly hasn't proven where he was. Maybe he was getting drunk in Canada. As far as your misleading people about American History, Bush's invading Iraq for oil after it was Osama bin Laden and a bunch of SAUDIS who attacked on 9/11, is comparable to Roosevelt attacking Mexico after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. http://www.awolbush.com
Cyberfly-I don't want to be a jerk, but do you honestly believe that George Bush was AWOL? Do you know (you don't, because you've never served in uniform) that being AWOL/desertion in a time of war is punishable by death? Only you and the Michael Moore crowd believe this stuff. I am amazed that the facts have never registered with your brain. How could an individual receive an honorable discharge if he were AWOL? And I know you'll say, "His daddy got it for him." Oh, and when did military service become a requirement for you guys? You guys supported a real-life draft dodger TWICE! You don't see your own uneducated hypocrisy in this debate? You hate Bush so much that you would believe the worst about him, not even knowing him. Your hatred is why Bush is going to win on 2 November 2004. Hate has never won an election. Plus, you never addressed any of my points from my original posting. I have a question to which I hope you answer: In what ways should the United States fight a global war against Islamic fascists that desire to kill as many Americans (including hippies) as possible? Please tell me your strategic plan. I desire to know. Thanks.
Cyberfly-To believe that Bush invaded Iraq for oil is for me to believe that you're intellectually lazy. And based on your postings, I believe you are an intellectual moron. The Left, to which you belong, continues its pathology in the War on Terror. Now we have leftist feminists showing up at demonstrations nude, wearing Saudi head-gear, and protesting Bush. Yet if they lived under the cultures and societies they are siding with, they would be exterminated within 30 seconds just for showing an ankle. We have groups like “Queers for Palestine” that show up at anti-Israel rallies and get beaten up and shouted down by Islamists at the demonstration. Homosexuals in Palestinian culture are persecuted and flee for safety in Israel. Overall, the Left, again, to which you belong, has sided with a fascist enemy that extinguishes all supposed leftist values themselves: women’s rights, gays’ rights, separation between religion and state, etc. etc. Is there some kind of death wish or self-loathing here or what?
Who says that anyone here is siding with Saddam? You fall too hard for republican propaganda. No one here is on Saddam's side.
In my opinion, in everything I have read, I think we could have and should have done things differently in Iraq..I'm not saying anything against you, and NO I don't think anyone who fights in a war is cowardly..anyone who protects our country is brave and I have the utmost respect for them...But, I do NOT trust our president, and I have a RIGHT to do so..I don't think we should have gone to war..I think there are other efforts which could have been implemented and if deemed we needed to go to war..then we should have.. but with a plan, a plan to get out...We should have exhausted every measure, been pro-active in what we were going to do, and what circumstances lie there, and make every plausible effort to overcome this mess in Iraq that is there now..If someone doesn't believe in the war..it doesn't mean they deem our soldiers as cowards, it just means they don't agree with what this war has led to, what it has become..You have your opinion, and I have mine..also, if your recent post to me was sarcastic, I actually do research on politics, and I don't post what I hear..I also have back up websites if I post anything against any politician..I don't listen to people..I read for myself, because yes, I do care greatly about my country, and I want the best choice in my opinion as president..and that choice is John F. Kerry..I'm an American and I Have that right!
BlackVelvet--Amen. (To the "I have that right." Not to John Kerry, whom no one knows what he believes, because he's taken both sides to every issue. And in a time of war, I can't trust a man who needs to ask Kofi Annan what we should do regarding war and peace. But that's just me.
You really are an idiot aren't you? We attacked Germany because we were on the Allied side. The Axis was fighting not just America, but like I said, England, The Netherlands, and Poland. We're attacked by the Japanese, who inturn were at this point part of the Axis who were fighting our allies, and we have all justified reason to be fighting back. Iraq is in no way the third reich, nor did it bomb anyone. Operation "Enduring Freedom" can in no way be compared to World War II. This is certainly different than Iraq, who, as we've found, had absolutely nothing to do with the original attack, and who, as far as I remember, didn't bomb England and the Netherlands, or any of our allies. Like I said, you give me your evidence that Iraq was at all involved in 9/11. If the Bush administration couldn't trump anything up, I'm sure an idiot 33-year old man on the forums won't be able to either. Feel free! I find it funny that you tell others they have no idea what they're talking about, and basically that they have flawed information, when you yourself never put out any real, concise argument whatsoever. Simply, Iraq did not attack us, nor did they attack England, nor did they attack France, nor did they attack the Netherlands. It's not a show of courage to stubbornly stay in a war in which we had no real place to begin with. It's simply insane. You act as though this makes Bush a "powerful" leader, when it basically gives attest to the fact that he's a terrible leader who cannot make the correct decisions and can't admit his mistake. Just because he says Iraq is part of the war doesn't mean we're to believe it and to accept it, although apparently you ate it when it was fed to you. If Bush could give evidence that they were part of the war, that would be fine, but like I said, he couldn't trump anything up, and neither can you. By the way, don't ever again compare someone as incredible as Winston Churchill to George W. Bush.
http://www.awolbush.com Yes. he hasn't proven otherwise. Bush has been living above the law since he had his DUI charges hidden from public view. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm There is evidence that Bush has more to hide involving his Texas driving record. Soon after he became governor, he had a new driver's license issued with the unusual ID number of "000000005", an action that destroyed the records of his previous license. His staff could only say, weakly, that this was done for "security reasons" but there is no record of any previous Texas governor having done so. Now we have at least of hint of why Bush wanted his records obscured, and a dark foreboding that more might be lurking, still covered up. If telling the truth is "intellectually lazy" then I am guilty as charged. I am not trying to prove how smart I am. I am concerned with THE TRUTH. Halliburton is really pumping Iraqi oil out of the country.
Once again I disagree with you FSU. Music Man is the most intelligent one here. He describes what I intuitively know far better than I can.