Government?

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by Freeminded, May 20, 2008.

  1. Freeminded

    Freeminded Member

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    Should their be a government?what is your opinion?Should changes be made or should it be abolished?What do you think we should do?
     
  2. Mr. Mojo Risin'

    Mr. Mojo Risin' Senior Member

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    There's no goverment like no goverment. ;)
     
  3. ChildoftheRisingSun

    ChildoftheRisingSun Member

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    Anrchy!
    Cause u know "I am the anti-christ..."
     
  4. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    no government, though no governance or no politics would be a crazily bad and impossible way. its in people's nature to organize themselves you know? that's governance, that's politics. too bad we still didn't find a way to do so in accordance with our ideals of true freedom equality and all that stuff
     
  5. FindTheCostOfFreedom

    FindTheCostOfFreedom Member

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    Ever been to downtown LA, Camden, Newark? We need a government.
     
  6. LittleWonder

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    I'm an anarchist.

    Laws or government or rules do not stop people from breaking them. As evidenced by the fact that our prisons are full. If laws stopped people from committing crimes, said prisons would be empty.

    The way I see it, I can take better care of myself, friends, family, fellow neighbors, etc., without government interference. Some of their laws on self defense in your own home are crazy, i.e. in Massachusetts you might as well let the intruder do what he/she will as otherwise YOU will go to jail for hurting him/her.

    I think it comes down to values and philosophy. If you are a moral person, you will continue to be one without government. If you are immoral, you will be immoral regardless of government.

    I say should all focus on better parenting or "growing up" skills than solutions "after the fact" i.e. after a person grows up without values, ethics, or morals.
     
  7. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    so you're an anarchist because of song? :huh: just joking.

    i think a lot of people fail to see why rules and laws are made. they are mainly social conventions to make it possible for people to live together. some people see the law as being always right others see laws as purely an unnecessary and restricting evil. if people break the rules this means that they either have been socialized poorly or that the rule doesn't fit the society it has been applied

    since western society becomes more and more plural it becomes harder and harder to make rules that can be applied succesfully to the whole of society. i think the best way of governance would be to take a set of shared values, like Universal Declaration of Human Rights and let every community interpret it to its own situation. like roussea's idea direct democracy
     
  8. ChildoftheRisingSun

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    I think we have tried making working goverment so long that we should say that it's impossible :p
     
  9. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    we've been trying it in the wrong way indeed. but what do you want otherwise? no rules at all? how long do you think its gonna take before a little group of basterds start to tyrannize. exactly!
    of course we could protect ourselves from something like that to happen by a joint effort, but that already would already need some form of organisation in which politics is involved. mind you, i'm not talking about organisation or politics in the current sense. i'm just saying that if people want to reach something together they will have to organise themselves and make agreements (politics). politics and organisation and that bad, just leave it to the people and lets hope they are at least a bit sensible
     
  10. dollydagger

    dollydagger Needle to the Groove

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    I have faith than humankind has the ability to run itself without governments, but I dont think we are quite there yet as a collective whole.
     
  11. LittleWonder

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    Funny, that's what's happening now. ;)

    A little ... ok, sort of a big group of people are tyrannizing everyone else. They hold all the guns, and they hold all the power. They're one of the biggest terrorist organizations in the world, the way I see it, at least.

    They go by the general name of USA government.

    I have never seen a single government evolve into anything good. America used to have a highly decentralized government where individual freedom was prized above all. We no longer have that, and with things like the military commissions act, the government has absolute power over us. Eventually, they will use it in the worst of ways. Hopefully, I'll be long gone before that happens!

    However, I do agree with dollydagger. We're just not there yet. I foresee a few more catastrophes before we wise up as a collective whole.
     
  12. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    i never said i am contended with the current situation, far from it. i never said i support so-called governments.
    i do support governance, self-governance, but self-governance is useless if you don't work together with other people (you would be very selfish), which is politics, again not politics in the sense of a bunch of so called educated fuckers greedy for power, but politics as in its definitions, how regulate people living together. by what means? people discussing within their own community how to deal with their environment. but please lets all take a bunch of universal values to live by, just to create some sense of universal unity and peace
     
  13. LittleWonder

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    Self governance is very different from having a government. I agree with you on the self governance part. I'm all for self governance. I self govern myself everyday. ;)

    In any society, but especially an anarchist one, one will need a set of universal ethics, a code of honor, so to speak. These should be understood by everyone inherently via common sense - as opposed to being written down on pieces of paper by various groups of people who have the guns, and thus make the rules. Whenever that happens - giving one group of people the guns and putting them in charge of keeping everyone else "in order" ... well, then it gets messy and eventually evolves into what we have now.

    But, I think we're a long way away from people actually using common sense to derive a code of ethics, and to accept it universally. So, for a while yet, we'll have what we have now ... until it gets too much to handle, and we'll have some type of wars/other catastrophe. At which point, hopefully, society as a whole will wise up to the use of logic and reason versus irrationality and fear in terms of the kind of "system" in place.

    But, really, I'm an optimist. ;)
     
  14. ChildoftheRisingSun

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    You all should read Gandhis ideas about good society i think it could work :)
     
  15. Helter-Skelter

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    It would work, if humans weren't generally greedy bastards.
     
  16. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    did he publish them in some kind of book? or are you talking about famous sayings from him? either way i am very curious on where to find them.
     
  17. ChildoftheRisingSun

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    I have this book (in finish) that has been translated from sanskrit to nearly every language in the world. In english the books name is "Gandhi, road to peace and love"
    it is agreat book wich has in it only things that Gandhi have said in he's spechees and writings.
     
  18. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    sounds really good, like something we could use atm
     

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