israeli products,fruits etc....

Or, if you live in the US, just work out how much of your taxes go to the military, and don't pay them on grounds of conscientious objection.

 

it might be easier for people to stop doing stupid things but this logic doesn't prevail , just ask the israelis, after invading someone elses land and killing its inhabitants they sit down and wonder why the original inhabitants hate them so much.

if the israelis had paid for the land there would be no contest - everything would have been paid for fair and square (which what the kibbutzim were doing originally). they thought by stealing the land that somehow no one would object.

from the american perspective they could wrap up the whole thing by forcing the israelis to actually enter into peace negotiations and make their prime minister wear a bullet proof jacket.

 

They are taking their farms & even tried to build a segregation wall...how is that a peace effort??

All of this is out of fear. They are afraid of each other & are both taking, in their eyes, a defensive action.

Anyone seen Michael Franti's I am Not Alone???

 

i can see the israeli point of view

they want to build a wall to keep all problems out

it all sounds like the last days of jerusalem under siege of the romans, the religious right wing start exterminating anyone who opposes their rule.

instead of trying to make some sort of peace with the romans they go all out on a bender under the assumption that god is on their side and will defend them. they were wrong. josephus the jewish writer of the period was seen as a traitor by the religious right wing, despite everything the religious right wing had disasterously understood nothing about the way the world works or how to enter into negotiation. the zealots roaming the city assasinated anyone who dare break gods word (in their interpretation).

the result of this complete lack of understanding?

the second dispora, the jews lost their homes and their lives.

a fellah called jabotinski went round eastern europe before the ww2 he called for jews to leave quickly, he was opposed by whom? the rabbis and religious right wing

the result

disaster, the holocaust

if the jewish people are looking for answers to their woe the last people they should consult should be the religious right wing - historically they have a bad track record no matter how you dress it up.

 

I'd agree with that completely. I think all borders should be removed though, the problem I find is that in all belief systems, there are those at the extremes cock it up for everyone. If we could simply be free of the power hungry and the zealous, we could be really free.

(sorry about the levels of pretentiousness in all that, been reading a load of quotes)

 

as the self help manuals say .. your past does not equal your future

obviously whatever strategy israel has been persuing it hasn't worked, they have been "successfully" waging an anti terrorist war since 1948 against the original inhabitants.

the way out????

negotiation AND compensation

this will involve a lot of money changing hands and land and rock solid guarantees from both sides and a permanent UN police force for the region.

a return of palestinian peoples to their homes AND if this no longer possible, rock solid compensation in the form of money, land and territory.

when you consider the money and waste of the last 60 years a small amount of money, time and effort will pay dividends, rather than the bottomless pit of weapons purchase.

money will also be forthcoming to reconstruction of the area and local by- laws on human rights and respect for your neighbour. this means no shooting or intimidation or destruction of your neighbours property otherwise guess what? COMPENSATION. when the money is eeked out you'll find that people will be very happy to behave themselves - on both sides.

the west bank, golan heights and gaza will become de militarised zones given the history associated with them, this means no rockets or helicopter gunships will be allowed or guess what? COMPENSATION.

essentially it means you have to treat the warring parties like children like in all the other conflicts around the globe.

 

Nuke Israel Now

 

Although i dont know of any israeli products that i consume, I do support a boycott of them. Any country run on the basis of religion should be destroyed.

And yes i know America has a lot of Christian ideals, but we are much better than Israel

 

israel is a great country

 

why you stoped the sentence? why three points? finish what you started.

from geting into Israel and blow themselfs in malls, buses, cofee shops, schools and etc.

what do you know about the Israeli-Pelestinian conflict? have you ever been in the Middle East?
you seat in your appartment (i don't know where do you live). when you going to a mall you not afrait that it's can be your last time.
when you geting into the bus you not looking around to see if someone is looking strange.


we won't stop you of saying the truth? you want to here the truth?
the truth is that you Terror supporter if you support the Palestinians.

and if you want to boycot Israel don't use your computer as someone said. the main Intel chip made in Israel.
don't use medication. a lot of them made in Israel.

but you gonna use it right? if you will have multiple sclerosis you gonna use Copaxone. if you will have Parkinson you will use Azilect.
when you will need Israeli products which can save your life or make your life comfortable you will use it.
so stop being gentle soul.

 

Israel is a GREAT country!.Anyone who says a negative word about Israel knows NOTHING about Israel.Its amazing how IGNORANT some people are.I could say alot more,but the person that started this stupid ,pathetic thread is not worth my time.

 

You can disagree, thats your right but why do you have to be hostile about it? Just because some people dont like Isreal doesnt mean they are ignorant.
There are many good reasons not to like Isreal.

 

guybob,the SMALL amount of people that do not like Israel do NOT know anything about Israel,therefore they are ignorant on this subject.In many peoples views,not only mine,people that say negative things about Israel are IGNORANT in MANY ways.There seem to be alot of them on ths forum. ISRAEL IS GREAT!

 

you are quite retarded.

Boycott the US if you're going to boycott an entire nation. They are the main israeli allies anyway. Israel is just keeping safe. First off, they are only on that land due to the fact that they have been forced out of most other countries due to discrimination, which made them feel the need to be in a safe environment around their own type. This "stealing of land" was not done by them anyway, there was no 'israeli army' before israel. They took the land that was opened for them. They even offered to willingly hand over a large portion of their land to stop the violence, but the opposing groups want it all. Second off, they have done nothing wrong. They retalliate to attacks, simply protecting themselves. I do not know too many cases where israel actually laid down the first attack. they would be more than happy to live without war. Third off, obviously they would have a big wall to stop the palistinians. What the fuck would you do if you constantly had people coming into your country bombing malls and busses left and right to the point where you cannot even walk outside of your front door without worrying that you may not ever walk back in. Do you have any clue what you are even talking about? The press does not report the full both sides of conflict most of the time. Its one or the other. They will mention that there were 200 lebanese citizens killed in a bomb, without mentioning the other 600 israeli citizens killed at a wedding. It is the rest of the middle east that wants the land israel is on. They don't want just the land, they want death to the israelies as well. People like you are the ignorant brainwashed fucks. Not the israelies.

I'm sure whereever you are from has had its equal share of mass murder and inhumane acts. No matter where you are. Germany, UK, Spain, USA, Netherlands, etc etc etc. Israel provides the world with too many useful products that if they were boycotted.. hell, i dont think they would even give a shit. Its more of a loss to those not buying.

I am not bias towards any palistinian nation. I am very close to many lebanese people, including my girlfriend who goes there 3 months of every year. But either way, they are all nationalists, the entire war is due to nationalism, and i hate nationalism. Boycotting would be retarded. If your going to boycott the middle east, boycott oil producing nations until they decrease the inflation of the oil prices.

Just my 2 cents.

 

this fellow reminds of the suicide bombers who cry out "god is great" before popping the button.

if israel is so great why do so many people have reservations about what is going on over there in gods name?

do you live in israel?

have you ever been there?

 

I am already boycotting Israeli products and trying to convince others to do the same. Last week I was at a 60 Years Nakba solidarity conferencein Amsterdam, which was very illuminating to say the least. Things are even worse than I thought. Political Zionism strives towards as much land in Palestine as possible with as few Palestinians living on it as possible. Israel's inherent, institutionalized racism and complete disregard for human rights being ignored, condoned and even supported by most of the Western world is outrageous and intolerable.

It is so sad to see how those oppressed turn into brutal oppressors themselves when they are finally free. Therefore I am glad there are already a fair few here who are aware of what is really going on behind Israels shabby facade of justice, democracy and civilization.

 

Anyone who knows anything about Israeli history knows that Israel did not create the Palestinian refugees, but the Arab countries who have wages war against Israel several times have.

These countries also refused to take the refugees in after promising to do so.

You should go out there and praise Israel for being humanitarian enough to allow the Palestinians to stay in the West Bank and Gaza... a land that Israel willingly gave them in return for nothing other than suicide bombings and rocket attacks.

 

"guy" I read all your posts on this thread,and believe me, it was a boring read.It further shows how you know NOTHING about Israel.Ignorance is not always bliss.I hope you and the few others who dislike Israel boycott their products,because Israels products are TOO GOOD for you and people like you.I will not be commenting further-candidly its become boring.So you and the inbred moron that started this thread have fun.

 

Don't even try arguing with "guy". He's a complete anti-semite and nothing you'll say will change his views.

Hell, avoid the topic on this forum in general. It's a great place, but most of the people here are completely ignorant when it comes to Israel.