infinity

I believe I disproved that point sufficiently.

 

I think you proved it actually.

A new star is created yes, but the old star still ended.

nothing is forever.

 

the real truth. tell me shane99x, what do you picture is at the END of the universe? things die, yes, but nothing has an end. like the examples you gave about the stars, after they burn out they continue to exist, it just means that they are not burnning, anymore. (they've changed form)

 

What model of the universe are we using here?


Big Bang theory?
Steady State?
Religious?
The Positive Alternative?

Within Big Bang:
Closed Universe?
Open Universe?
Flat Universe?

Within Closed Universe:
Oscillating?
Or ending with the Big Cunch?

In any case, whether or not anything actually "ends" is yet to be proven and i doubt ever will be.

 

My view (the conventional one) is that we live in a low entropy universe. As entropy encreases more and more energy will become unavailable heat, stars will burn up and become black holes; our universe will die a heat death.

everything will end.

 

lol :X that was too funny

 

Where does everything go then? Turned into radiation? It's still there, different form. Things sucked into a black hole don't disappear, you know, they're still there too, either at the singularity, or emitted as radiation, or deposited out of a "white hole" in a parallel universe, or who knows what.

They say the laws of physics break down at a singluarity but that's not true really, it just means that you can't continue to ignore the usually insignificant effects of quantum gravity. They just say the laws break down because we don't have a Unified Theory of Everything yet, once we do, if we ever do, we'll be able to say what's going on there.

So, my point is, even at a singularity conservation of energy and mass must continue. So things don't cease to exist, even it everything is now heat energy. Maybe from such a state a new big bang would occur, in an oscillating universe.

 

Exactly!!!!!!!

 

Infinity is a trip.
These links will either cause a headache or enlighten. I'm somewhere in between.
Cantor and Cantor

 

Once more- infinity is a manmade concept that has no analog in nature.

 

but nature is infinite. Reality is infinite, everything is, nothing cannot be, even that previous statement. It is beyond human comprehension. Being infinite even contradictory things exist, everything is contradictory and at once not. It's like oneness and nothingness all at once or something, you kind of have to figure it out for yourself, seeing as it's one of those things impossible to explain.

 

You can't explain it because it isn't there.

It's a philosophical concept- just like your entire statement.

Our Reality indeed ends. Entropy dictates it.

 

Of course it ends, it being infinite it naturally includes even its own end.

 

I see the universe as a beating heart. The big bang, and then the eventual collection of all matter and energy back into the thing it was to begin with, constitute but a single heartbeat.

 

Interesting metaphor. And why not? It seems everything in nature is cyclic anyways. Well, not everything of course, but the general pattern. Maybe the universe is too.

By the way, Soulless...that's one hell of a paradox you just came up with. An unending thing that ends. Crazy...

 

Thus is the incomprehensible nature of the infinite.

 

Not a paradox- Self-contradictory nonesense!

Get a dictionary and look up "infinte". You might find it says "without end".

There is no infinity.

 

Infinite as a state of being has no end, and therefore includes everything, its own end being something, how can it not include it and have no end?

 

In the presence of eternity, the mountains are as transient as the clouds. Ingersoll.

Spirit is the only infinite thing, to me. All the material universe is transient.

 

Non-seqitour.
The "presence of eterinty" is merely another way to assume infinity.

There is no infinity.

So, too, the existence of the "spirit"- another undefined and possibly unwarranted assumption.