At what age should you stop taking E or MDMA?

My gosh.. how much crap can you pack into a forum?

GO TO MAPS. http://www.maps.org

That being said:

- MDMA has ZERO EFFECT on seratonin production in the brain, long term. This has been proven recently by a german study that went VERY deeply, using CAT and MRI technology. During use they recorded a "modest" 5% reduction in seratonin production, which vanished after the user stopped taking MDMA. They call this a "reversible" effect. To give you some perspective, alcohol abuse causes irreversible effects. Aka permanent. MDMA does not, and this is after 30 years of study.

- the studies where the promoted the idea of memory loss (and that, only short term memory.. long term didn't even show up on the map) were conflated (exaggerated). The sample size was low, and the effect was so modest that it was hard to measure. In that same study they also said that MDMA users were significantly mentally healthier than controls. And by significantly, it means, it was a whoppingly huge, obvious thing. As opposed to the memory loss, which was so small, it almost vanished into the noise, and could have been caused by the sample. In other words, the study cannot (and DID not) say that memory loss is caused my MDMA. It can (and DID) say that MDMA causes a more positive outlook in life. So please, stop saying "MDMA leads to memory loss". It does NOT.

- MDMA is not neurotoxic, to any great degree. Absolutely all of the studies funded by the US government are tainted, and have been questioned in the literature. In all cases (yep, all) the grandiose claims made by Ricaurte were debunked by the community. He has done numerous studies, but all of them (if you bother to read them) indicate a negative result.. except for the ones in which he lies.

- What this means to you: MDMA is probably the safest drug known, aside from cannabis.

- "So why do I feel so shitty?" Well, first of all, MDMA is an amphetamine, use of which causes vitamin depletion, sleep deprivation, disruption in sleep patterns, nutritive uptake issues, and so on. In other words, the correlative effects damage you, not the direct effects. If you (a) eat right (no junk food, low sugar/carb, high fat diet) and (b) space out your rolls so you can recover, you will not have these problems. Just think of it as compressed living.. you need time to recover. Spend the day after a roll doing fun but chilled out things. do not sleep all day as that will damage your sleep patterns even more. Just eat very well, foods that you love and are not junk, and make certain to socialize a bit.

If you are still depressed, even after all of this, it means you are *depressed*.. not that MDMA is causing you to be depressed. It could easily be that since you experienced such a pure state of bliss on X that comparing it to 'normal' life seems gray, and so your life has been put in a starker perspective, and hence latent depression was brought out. In that sense, MDMA is 'causing' the depression. But it is not a chemical change in your brain at ALL! It is a response to your experience and could have happened anyway. MDMA just brought it out.

So, go to maps.org. Don't believe me.. believe the real folks whom have already won the right to use this stuff in trials. Oh and also take into account that if MDMA actually did cause issues, our entire country would be nursemaiding millions of affected people. Which we are not.

To answer your question... a LOT of older people take MDMA. a LOT. They just don't do it at raves. They do it in houses, in small gatherings and are very chilled out about it. I wouldn't be surprised if many of your parents do it and you don't even know They also dont tend to do it often, but reserve it for special occasions, or make it a monthly thing.

And please, don't assume I am not one of those 'older people', or don't know many of them.

 

well i would say its not about the age but about the intensity of usage, and of course the older your brain is the harder it regenertaes and unfortunately all the scientific data are indicating that long term heavy usage may cause permannenet serotonin receptors damage and that is irreversible reagrdless of the age...so common sense as wit heverything i guess is paramount

 

Sorry mate, but you are totally wrong here

"All" the research shows it does *not* cause permanent damage. The studies that attempted to show it did were debunked by peer review. In other words, they were bullshit.

Recent, unbiased research showed that the effects were mild, and reversible.

Please go To MAPS.ORG and read up.

 

I'm 59 and have been using MDMA for the past couple of years. I use about once every 6 weeks. I use it mostly for personal growth reasons and to bring out my latent ability to love and to be in contact with God. I do notice the next day is pretty hard, like dealing with a hangover but after 48 hours I am back to "normal" and feel very energized. Eating well and taking vitamins and getting into exercise are good ways to recover. I would never take more than the recommended dose of about 2mg/kgm of body weight.