Israel modern history

The reason why i write that is becouse i see too much Anit-Israeli comments in this forum and in general. many of the people don't know how Israel was established.
many people think that jews came to Palestine (which was a independed state) and occupied their land. well, it's not right.


first at all, the land is not belong to Palestinians. Israel didn't occupied any of Palestinian land.
the land called Palestine but it was british colony. the Palestinians were just Bedouin tribes.

Theodor Hertzel is the founder of Zionism.
The jews started to come to Israel which was part of Ottoman Empire in the end of 19 century. of course there were jews in the land of Israel always but they weren't Zionists. they were Ultra ortodox jews who lived in three holly cities to jews: Jerusalem, Sefad and Tiberias.
in that time the arabs who lived in the land didn't even think about having independence.
after the WW1 the Brits occupied Israel from the Ottoman Empire wich was ruined.
In 1917 Sir Arthur James Balfur, who the minister of foreign affairs of Britan singed on Balfour Declaration which sayed that the "view with favour" the establishment in Palestine of "a national home for the Jewish people".

Since then, the arabs who lived in Palestine started to think about independence too.
that's when the terror started.
In 1920 Palestinian Riot the Palestinians attacked jewish towns and jewish neighberhoods in Jerusalem. 6 jews were killed, 200 were injured. women and children were raped and then killed, Syanagogues were burned, property been plundered.

A year later in 1921 Jaffa Riot. 47 jews were killed, 140 were injured.

When jewish population grown the arabs started the 1929 Palestine riots.

you think it's the end? the arabs continued with terror agains jews in 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine.

Between the riots the arabs continued to attack jews in different chances they had.

in November 29, 1948 the U.N announced that the British colony is over and two stated are going to be established. jewish state and Arab state.
this conference called United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.

The arabs couldn't accept it. they refused to Jewish state.

In the same day, right after the conference the arabs began in the major attack on jews in Israel (Palestine). attack that called Israeli Independence War.

In the middle of the war, on May 14, 1948 the State Of Israel was established.

In the same day other arab countries joined the local arabs to try and demolish Israel.
the countries are: Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and the local arabs attacked Israel with all the force they had.
The Lebanese attacked from the north
The Syrians attacked from the North-East
The Jordanians attacked from the east
The Egyptians attacked from the south
The local arabs and mercenary attacked from inside.

now, to all the people who claimed that Israel occupied land and boraden it's borders. don't forget that the arabs are the ones who started the war.


The Jordanians nationalize the West Bank in 1947 when it was part of the British colony without any international recognition (The brits didn't want to fight the Jordanian army when they knew that they going to leave the area in a year).

so the West Bank never was property of Palestinians. they never was independed, the West Bank was stolen by Jordan.

now, back to 1948 war.

The Jordanians siege the jewish neighberhoods in Jerusalem.
many local arabs who called Palestinians today escape from their homes becouse of the fights. Many jews escape from their homes too.

The arabs who got expelled from their homes were shoting on jews and jewish towns.

now, some of you will say "hey you expelled people from their homes".
well, it's a war that they started. they would do much more. they wouldn't expell the jews, they would kill them all.

The war ended in July 20, 1949 with Israeli victory. The arab countries and Israel singed 1949 Armistice Agreements . Israel broaden it's borders.


in 1950's the Egyptians, Jordanians and Palestinains send terrorists into Israel to do terror attacks. they called Fedayeen.
that was the reason for the begining of 1956 Sinai War with Egypt. Israel, U.K and France attacked Egypt.

In the 60's the Jordanians, Lebanese, Egyptians and Syrians attacked Israel many times.
They send terrorists into Israel, launched rockets on Israeli cities.
The Jordanians shooted on daily basis on West Jerusalem (the jewish side).
The Egyptians blocked the pass for Israeli ships in the Red Sea.

Israeli spies in surrounding arab countries informed that the arab countries planing an attack on Israel.

On June 5, 1967 as a result of all that Israel started The Six Day War .
The move that started the war was Operation Focus.
The Israeli Air force bombed and destroyed entire Egyptian air force which was the strongest among the arab countries in the Middle East.

Again it was Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq who fight together again Israel and lost.

During the war Israeli forces were stronger and occupied Sinai Peninsula, West Bank (including East Jerusalem), Gaza Strip, Golan Hights (wich was very good position for Syrians to shot rockets on all Israeli northern towns before and in time of war.
For the first time in 2000 years Jerusalem was reunited again.

On March 1969 the Egyptians started The War of Attrition, trying to occupie Sinai Peninsula back.

In 1973 Syria and Egypt together with volunteers from Jordan, Iraq and Maroco surprised Israel with a huge attack. that cause the Yom Kipur War. they started the war in jewish Yom Kipur when jews fast.
so the Israeli soldiers feel weak, hungry and thirsty.
that was the hardest war for Israel. 2,656 Israeli soldiers were killed.
but again, Israel won the war. Egyptians lost more than 11,000 soldiers, Syrians lost 300 soldiers, Marocans lost 20 soldires and Jordanians lost 17.


In 1979 Israel and Egypt singed Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty and in 1982 Israel return Sinai Peninsula to Egypt.
In 1994 Israel and Jordan singed Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace. Jordan didn't demand Israel to return them the West Bank.


so it was a palestinian land? why is that?
that's all.

 

I like this line "the Arab's who lived in Palestine started to think about independence too" Was that a crime.

So the Palestinians actually lived there and occupied the land and desired self government. Well thats right there was a viable society composed of hundreds of village communities (most of which were hundreds of years old) who's population's build mosques and markets and tilled the surrounding land just like people do everywhere in rural communities.

This would naturally explain why most of the Jewish immigration into Palestine prier to 1948 was confined to urban coastal areas. To rectify this the Jewish National fund was promptly set up to buy as much Land as possible for Jewish settlement. However by 1947 only 7% of the land was held by Jewish people who comprised a third of the population of palestine by 1947. The failure of this policy of peaceful land purchase was palpable at least in turms of a land grab.

The violence that you refer to in the twenties can be directly attributed to the failure of the British mandate system to accommodate the legitamate claims of the Palestinian people for the right of self determination. The greivences were further exacerbated by the British governments position at the time to unilateraly declare palestine as a national home for the Jewish people. Conflict therefore with the British authorites was invetable which led to the Palestinians revolt and subsequent defeat at the hands of British counter insurgency. There defeat made life easy for Ben-Gurion in 1947-48 when it came to military opperations.

In regard to the UN partition plan which was detailed in UN resolution 181, in which no palestinian delegation was present at negotiation it was decided by the UN that less than one third of the population who owned less than 7% of the land should get well 50% of a divided palestine. The resulting conflict was to quickly confirmed the military supremacy of Israeli forces as they overran and occupied far more then the 50% of palestine that was agreed in the partition plan, while expelling the indigenouse populations as they went along.

In regard to your statement "In the same day, right after the conference the arabs began in the major attack on jews in Israel (Palestine)" Major attack this does not feature in the historical record, this seems to be fantasy.

Why all these links to Wikipedia, its not the most reliable resource for information for obviouse reasons.

 

I have nothing nice to say about the politics of Israel.

I have even less nice things to say about a particular radical politcal movement within Judaism called zionism.

These people are dangerous to the world.

Educate yourselves. Read all sides. And not just the zionist take on things, which is all you ever see in the western media.

http://www.wrmea.com/links/index.htm



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Where'd everybody go?

I'm not even warmed up yet.

I'll post something from my blog, on a prominant Middle Eastern website.

^^^^^^^^^^

Israel must be stopped

xexon | 10 July, 2006 23:10

Israel is a matter of mixed emotion for me. I have friends who are from there.

But at the same time, the Israeli government is out of control. Both it's own people and the people from surrounding nations are feeling the lash of zionism as it continues it's push into our lives. Where is it going to end? The only certainty is the end is not going to be pretty.

Most of the jewish population is totally ignorant of the way they've been used by the zionists. They immigrated there over the past 100 years thinking this was going to be a jewish homeland, when the reality is Israel is a zionist homeland, not a jewish one. Jews have come from all over the world, bringing their wealth and connections with them. Many from the USA. They have unknowingly become human shields in a regime that could care less about them.

Now that the picture is becoming more clear, many are finding themselves in an uncomfortable situation.

Either stay, and support the current path Israel is heading down, or leave, and watch the meltdown from a safe distance. I recommend the latter. I would say stay and fight for change, but honestly, at least at this point, you've already run out of time.

The hour is late for Israel. If I were jewish and living in Israel, I'd be packing my things about now. Israel has made too many enemies to survive the future. And all the military might of the United States is not going to save you. Not this time. Your end will be quick. Too quick to even respond to. You won't even know who pulled the switch. I'll give you a hint though.

It's one of your own.

Zionism cultivates enemies like germs in a petri dish. Then they use those enemies to create the illusion of an outside threat. This keeps their supporters together in a tight group. Zionism doesn't sell zionism. It sells Judaism. There's no market for zionism. Judaism however is a hot commodity. It's a "protected" group, especially in the United States. That makes it ideal to hide behind.

This same procedure was used in the USA on 9/11. The neocons, who are famous for swapping spit with the zionists, culivated our "enemies", and them allowed them a clear path to pull off the 9/11 tragedy. This had the intended effect of making people band together against an outside enemy. The end result is the neocons had a blank check to pretty much do what they wanted. Same as the zionists who control the Israeli government.

The comparisons between the US and Israel are plain. And unless we pull our support for Israel, we shall certainly meet a similar fate. Let's stop Israel before it goes that far. Sanctions, boycotts, closed borders. Whatever it takes to make the PEOPLE of Israel dismantle the zionist agenda.

If we can pressure them enough, it means the rest of us won't have to act on this.

Israel does have a right to exist, but not as it is.

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religion as a source of guidance for the human soul is one thing, fanaticism is another -it poisons it.

with the destruction of the kibbutz in palestine i feel that the jewish inhabitants are losing their way. my overiding feeling is that the return to palestine wasn't meant to be one of conquest and destruction (despite what the bible might say about the original invasion of the people of the cult of abraham/moses).

palestine would have been very pleasant place to be - if things hadn't got out of hand, i'm sure that this was probably one thing on yitzhak rabin's mind looking back on decades of internal strife in the name of judaism. at any rate he was never allowed to make any gesture of reconciliation, he was gunned down by the very people responsible for the fanaticism and strife that exists today - they feed on it. as long as there is strife they will be strong, the more murder and mayhem in "god's" name the merrier these people will be doing "god's work" - or at least getting someone else to do the dirty work (as they can then claim they never had a hand in any murderous act).

today there is confusion i think for jewish people.

on one hand they want to help their fellow jew and on the other they see the acts of terrorism by the israeli government that no one in their right mind could endorse as sane. this is where the intellectual gymnastics comes into play, the violence towards the orignal inhabitants is rationalised and sanctified as gods work. to question the religious authority is seen as being a traitor to your kind , which is worrying, as rabin was clearly one of these people by the measure of the religious authorities and he was killed for it. the zealots are coming back which should worry all thinking jews.

since moses there has been no further worthy sucessors to the cult of abraham/ moses. king david had massive flaws in his moral integrity, solomon may have been wise but he didn't claim heirship of the throne (you are welcome to dispute this). maybe the wisdom of solomon is needed now but you will find it wanting.

 

Urban Legend,good opening thread!----Unfortunately some of the people that answered it before my post seem to be not only ignorant,but mentally deficient in many ways.Uran Legend you and I are just to good for this forum.It seems many members on this forum are INBRED.They just really are not worth the time. ISRAEL IS GREAT!

 

Let me add "xexon" what drugs are in your system?Were you dropped many times as a child???YOU are really PATHETIC.

 

Please feel free to refute what I say.

Before you get out that almighty "Anti-Semite" stamp, take care to notice that I focus not on Jews or Israel, but on a radical group of zionism whose members happen to be Jewish and largely Israeli friendly.

I have taken great care over the decades to peel these two things apart. Don't group me in with Jew haters. The rabbit I've chased down the hole is as much a danger to Jews as it is the rest of the world. But of course, that's a hard sell in today's market.

http://zionismexplained.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/IID2008.cfm

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

These are Jews who object to zionism. Care to explain them?




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"xexon" I did not say you are an anti-semite.However you seem to be quite ignorant on this subject.Have you ever been to Israel?For that matter have you ever been outside the US?

 

No, I haven't. But I have friends who have left Israel because they didn't want to raise a family there. They're tired of living in fear. They're not even political, they just don't want to raise kids in that kind of military camp environment.

While Israel has made many contributions to science and technology, at the same time they are involved in an effort to exterminate those in Gaza. Gaza is nothing more than another nazi style Polish ghetto. People have been gathered together like fish in a barrel. This cannot be overlooked.

Quite frankly, the entire 60 year history of Israel has been nothing but a bloodbath. And to compare it with the way white settlers from Europe overan the Native Americans would not be unfair.

If your Israel was so great, why do they have a need for organizations such as this ? http://www.btselem.org/English/



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Hi

Yes things have certainly gotten out of hand to the detriment of all the inhabitance of Palestine along with the people rotting in refugee camps in the surrounding countries.

From my understanding the Zionist project as it was to become revolved around carving out a Jewish national state for Jewish people over as much of Palestine as possible. The implicit nationalism has therefor put the demographic issue at the center of Israeli thinking and policy, therefore excluding any prospect of justice for the people thrown out in 1948 war.

The pressure put on Rabin by Bush 1 certainly brought the Israeli's to the table, however that was not to last long. The rest is history. Hopfully that wall that has been built will be history as well in the not to distant futur.

 

Let's recap.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/opposed.html



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Please spare the BS links you posted.I did not even look at them.You can find plenty of sites on the internet that say the world is flat too.As far as Israel being unsafe.Israel is one of the safest nations in the world period.How bout this idea,you guys spend the rest of your lives posting your twisted uninformed opinions on the internet.No one cares what people like you think anyhow.I'm through with you all.

 

Next!



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i'm disappointed that he couldn't manage some more cogent rebuttal. the general level of intelligence amongst jehovah's little merrymakers wouldn't be good at the best of times. the fanatic makes a concious decision to surrender his mind to stupidity.

 

He has indeed, that little man.

Yes I am disappointed also, may be a debate another day but not today.

 

We should never forget that Palestinians danced in the street when the World Trade Center was destroyed. I saw them do it on Fox News.

They want to destroy Israel and expell or kill the Jews there. In the Gaza Strip we can see an indication of how they will rule Palestine if they succeed.

I am a Christian who loves Jews, Judaism, and Israel.

 

If the Palestinians consider the accomodations in the refugee camps unpleasant they should move elsewhere in the Arab world.

The wall has substantially reduced terrorist attacks on Isralis. Meanwhile the Israeli economy booms.

 

You watch Fox news? A WELL KNOWN mouthpiece for the neocon agenda.

I bet you like John Hagee as well.


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